WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.316 --> 00:00:02.017 Safer Chemicals Podcast. 2 00:00:02.737 --> 00:00:04.858 Sound science on harmful chemicals. 3 00:00:10.941 --> 00:00:13.142 Welcome to the Safer Chemicals Podcast. 4 00:00:13.442 --> 00:00:14.162 I'm Adam Elwan, 5 00:00:14.222 --> 00:00:14.743 your host, 6 00:00:14.943 --> 00:00:18.604 and today I'm joined by Roberto Scazzola and Maria Otati. 7 00:00:19.425 --> 00:00:19.565 Now, 8 00:00:20.025 --> 00:00:22.586 yesterday when I was going through the topics we'll be talking about today, 9 00:00:22.826 --> 00:00:26.508 I realised that we've done probably tens of episodes together. 10 00:00:26.888 --> 00:00:30.090 And I've never actually given you the chance to properly introduce yourself. 11 00:00:30.130 --> 00:00:33.011 So maybe to start us off a bit differently than usual, 12 00:00:33.431 --> 00:00:36.352 could I ask you to tell our listeners a bit about who you are? 13 00:00:36.392 --> 00:00:36.613 I mean, 14 00:00:36.893 --> 00:00:39.294 what is your background and what brought you to ECHA? 15 00:00:39.734 --> 00:00:41.035 Sorry to put you on the spot like this, 16 00:00:41.095 --> 00:00:42.575 but who would like to go first? 17 00:00:43.156 --> 00:00:43.456 Maria, 18 00:00:43.516 --> 00:00:44.256 please. 19 00:00:44.256 --> 00:00:44.916 I'll start then, 20 00:00:44.976 --> 00:00:45.217 yes. 21 00:00:45.437 --> 00:00:45.557 So 22 00:00:46.977 --> 00:00:48.438 I'm actually an Italian citizen, 23 00:00:48.558 --> 00:00:49.899 but grew up in Uruguay. 24 00:00:49.939 --> 00:00:52.220 So I always joke with Roberto that I'm a fake Italian. 25 00:00:52.660 --> 00:00:55.122 And I started working there in the civil service. 26 00:00:55.162 --> 00:00:56.602 I'm an economist by background. 27 00:00:57.083 --> 00:01:00.785 And my first type of work that I did was in international trade, 28 00:01:00.805 --> 00:01:02.426 which is very topical at the moment. 29 00:01:03.166 --> 00:01:04.347 So about 15 years ago, 30 00:01:04.407 --> 00:01:05.148 I moved to the UK. 31 00:01:05.648 --> 00:01:07.769 I went to do a master's there. 32 00:01:07.789 --> 00:01:11.752 And then I started working at what was the competent authority for REACH there. 33 00:01:12.152 --> 00:01:13.733 I wasn't actually working on REACH. 34 00:01:13.773 --> 00:01:17.295 I was working on other types of risks to workers, 35 00:01:17.575 --> 00:01:18.916 but including some chemicals. 36 00:01:19.644 --> 00:01:20.685 And in 2018, 37 00:01:20.725 --> 00:01:22.786 I moved here to ECHA and since 2020, 38 00:01:22.926 --> 00:01:25.607 I have been chair of the Committee for Socio-Economic Analysis. 39 00:01:25.968 --> 00:01:26.768 And Roberto? 40 00:01:27.608 --> 00:01:28.689 Roberto Scazzola. 41 00:01:28.689 --> 00:01:29.710 I'm fully Italian, 42 00:01:29.730 --> 00:01:31.511 as you can see from my strong accent. 43 00:01:31.591 --> 00:01:32.051 Not a fake Italian then? 44 00:01:32.651 --> 00:01:32.871 Well, 45 00:01:33.151 --> 00:01:33.452 maybe. 46 00:01:33.452 --> 00:01:34.052 Who knows? 47 00:01:35.593 --> 00:01:35.773 Well, 48 00:01:35.813 --> 00:01:36.413 what to say? 49 00:01:36.973 --> 00:01:41.256 I have an experience in the Environmental Protection Agency in Italy. 50 00:01:41.336 --> 00:01:42.276 I worked for six, 51 00:01:42.356 --> 00:01:43.137 seven years there. 52 00:01:43.597 --> 00:01:44.958 Then I moved to the private sector. 53 00:01:44.978 --> 00:01:48.660 I was doing a bit of consulting and also working for a trade body. 54 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:50.021 And then I had 55 00:01:50.421 --> 00:01:51.422 10 years of experience, 56 00:01:51.482 --> 00:01:51.922 more or less, 57 00:01:51.942 --> 00:01:53.184 in the European Commission, 58 00:01:53.364 --> 00:01:59.449 working on international negotiations in a couple of United Nations conventions. 59 00:01:59.709 --> 00:02:03.193 And then I worked for the Chemical Strategy for Sustainability, 60 00:02:03.393 --> 00:02:04.694 Classification and Labelling, 61 00:02:04.954 --> 00:02:05.895 cosmetic products. 62 00:02:05.935 --> 00:02:09.238 So I had a quite wide range of experiences in the Commission. 63 00:02:09.718 --> 00:02:15.123 And I really wanted to join ECHA because I think it's the place to be if you want to work for the safety of chemicals. 64 00:02:16.168 --> 00:02:17.189 Since 2023, 65 00:02:17.229 --> 00:02:19.050 I'm the chair of the Risk Assessment Committee. 66 00:02:19.050 --> 00:02:19.911 All right. 67 00:02:19.971 --> 00:02:20.632 Thank you both. 68 00:02:20.692 --> 00:02:22.793 So I learned something new about both of you. 69 00:02:22.854 --> 00:02:24.435 So pleasure to meet you both finally, 70 00:02:24.695 --> 00:02:25.095 properly. 71 00:02:25.676 --> 00:02:26.336 All right. 72 00:02:26.737 --> 00:02:29.139 Let's then actually jump into the topics for today. 73 00:02:29.259 --> 00:02:29.919 So you are, 74 00:02:30.740 --> 00:02:34.103 I hesitate to say fresh out of the first committee meetings of 2025, 75 00:02:34.303 --> 00:02:36.785 but hopefully still awake enough to do the episode today. 76 00:02:37.525 --> 00:02:38.867 And we'll be discussing the highlights. 77 00:02:38.967 --> 00:02:42.710 So we'll begin as usual with the big topic the committees are discussing. 78 00:02:42.730 --> 00:02:45.252 That's the universal PFAS restriction proposal. 79 00:02:45.716 --> 00:02:52.020 Followed by a brief overview of the harmonised classification and labelling proposals for two substances, 80 00:02:52.040 --> 00:02:54.562 so silver nitrate and silicon dioxide. 81 00:02:55.162 --> 00:02:56.243 Then last but not least, 82 00:02:56.363 --> 00:03:01.567 we'll also give an update on the Risk Assessment Committee's preparations for the Drinking Water Directive. 83 00:03:02.527 --> 00:03:04.149 Maybe we then start with PFAS. 84 00:03:04.269 --> 00:03:07.891 So the committee talked about PFAS uses in new sectors. 85 00:03:07.951 --> 00:03:09.372 So we have fluorinated gases, 86 00:03:09.612 --> 00:03:12.454 transport and energy now being discussed for the first time. 87 00:03:12.915 --> 00:03:13.315 Roberto, 88 00:03:13.415 --> 00:03:14.976 what were the highlights from the discussion? 89 00:03:15.976 --> 00:03:16.176 Well, 90 00:03:16.216 --> 00:03:23.819 I think we had three big sectors and I'm very satisfied by the fact that RAC was able to agree on the provisional conclusions on all of them. 91 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:24.780 They are, 92 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:25.380 as mentioned, 93 00:03:25.420 --> 00:03:30.782 large and complex sectors and they have been assessed carefully by the committee and they relate to transport. 94 00:03:30.922 --> 00:03:33.843 It's about vehicle conditioning and refrigeration, 95 00:03:34.043 --> 00:03:35.784 coatings or foam moldings, 96 00:03:36.244 --> 00:03:37.625 also fluorinated gases. 97 00:03:37.985 --> 00:03:38.225 Again, 98 00:03:38.265 --> 00:03:39.606 it's about refrigeration, 99 00:03:40.006 --> 00:03:40.386 heating, 100 00:03:40.426 --> 00:03:41.086 conditioning, 101 00:03:41.646 --> 00:03:45.288 foam blowing agents like the ones used for producing mattresses. 102 00:03:45.760 --> 00:03:46.560 And then energy, 103 00:03:46.640 --> 00:03:50.121 very important sector with renewable energy generations, 104 00:03:50.181 --> 00:03:51.642 the transport of energy, 105 00:03:51.842 --> 00:03:52.902 storage and batteries. 106 00:03:53.762 --> 00:03:55.623 When it goes to what RAC does, 107 00:03:55.703 --> 00:03:56.063 actually, 108 00:03:56.483 --> 00:04:03.805 this means identifying the volumes and the related emissions that are calculated per sector for the major sub-application. 109 00:04:03.985 --> 00:04:06.886 And I think it's worth mentioning for fluorinated gases, 110 00:04:07.026 --> 00:04:11.427 these resulted in the highest emissions so far estimated by the committee, 111 00:04:11.847 --> 00:04:14.148 about 40,000 tons per year. 112 00:04:14.288 --> 00:04:15.068 That's quite a lot. 113 00:04:15.552 --> 00:04:21.855 and this is due to the high release factors that is embedded in actually in their use compared to other sectors. 114 00:04:22.635 --> 00:04:26.777 RAC also agreed on a common approach on the analysis of risks of alternatives. 115 00:04:27.297 --> 00:04:31.138 This is mostly based on the CLH properties of the substances, 116 00:04:31.198 --> 00:04:32.719 so their hazards, 117 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:38.701 but also on additional information when this is available about impurities or monomers. 118 00:04:39.242 --> 00:04:39.642 However, 119 00:04:39.842 --> 00:04:45.224 we have to signal that there is often a lack of detailed information on hazards and risks and this means that this 120 00:04:45.444 --> 00:04:51.511 adds to the overall uncertainty when it goes to the overall relevance of the dossier. 121 00:04:52.192 --> 00:04:56.356 RAC also looks into the effectiveness of the restriction options to reduce the risks, 122 00:04:56.837 --> 00:04:58.979 but also the sector-specific derogations, 123 00:04:59.059 --> 00:04:59.680 but only, 124 00:04:59.860 --> 00:05:00.781 let me clarify, 125 00:05:00.981 --> 00:05:02.643 based on risk considerations. 126 00:05:03.144 --> 00:05:06.528 All such economic aspects are carried out by our sister committee, 127 00:05:06.608 --> 00:05:06.848 SEAC. 128 00:05:08.222 --> 00:05:08.762 And of course, 129 00:05:08.762 --> 00:05:11.624 I should also mention we had a record number of stakeholders. 130 00:05:11.844 --> 00:05:13.105 I think if I remember well, 131 00:05:13.105 --> 00:05:13.885 at a certain point, 132 00:05:13.905 --> 00:05:15.946 we had over 140 people. 133 00:05:16.106 --> 00:05:17.447 Not all of them are stakeholders, 134 00:05:17.467 --> 00:05:17.887 of course, 135 00:05:17.927 --> 00:05:19.008 but many of them are. 136 00:05:19.408 --> 00:05:20.008 And so this, 137 00:05:20.189 --> 00:05:20.669 of course, 138 00:05:20.689 --> 00:05:25.671 is a measure of the interest and the importance of the sector that have been looked at by the committee. 139 00:05:26.252 --> 00:05:26.992 And as usual, 140 00:05:27.012 --> 00:05:28.333 those are provisional conclusions. 141 00:05:28.373 --> 00:05:32.975 It means that the overall approval will be carried out later on in the process. 142 00:05:34.096 --> 00:05:34.376 All right. 143 00:05:34.376 --> 00:05:36.757 So the same process as for any restriction, 144 00:05:36.777 --> 00:05:37.178 essentially. 145 00:05:37.218 --> 00:05:37.618 There's nothing, 146 00:05:37.878 --> 00:05:38.518 exceptional here. 147 00:05:39.039 --> 00:05:39.499 All right. 148 00:05:39.499 --> 00:05:39.619 Well, 149 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:39.919 thank you, 150 00:05:39.919 --> 00:05:40.339 Roberto, 151 00:05:40.459 --> 00:05:41.520 for those insights. 152 00:05:41.540 --> 00:05:47.483 I think it's encouraging to see that there's so much detailed work going in and being done on these sectors. 153 00:05:48.104 --> 00:05:48.304 Now, 154 00:05:48.744 --> 00:05:49.464 a couple of follow-ups. 155 00:05:49.464 --> 00:05:53.447 So you highlighted that there was kind of high stakeholder engagement during the meetings. 156 00:05:53.667 --> 00:06:02.271 How does the Risk Assessment Committee then ensure that all these multitudes of views are sufficiently considered in the decision-making process? 157 00:06:02.271 --> 00:06:03.632 It must be quite challenging to do. 158 00:06:05.013 --> 00:06:05.173 Well, 159 00:06:05.213 --> 00:06:06.794 we try to do our best. 160 00:06:07.014 --> 00:06:13.678 And the first point is that we allow the highest possible number of stakeholders attending physically the meeting, 161 00:06:13.858 --> 00:06:19.841 even if sometimes we have to limit this because there are some physical capacities in the way we can accommodate them. 162 00:06:20.902 --> 00:06:24.984 Stakeholders are invited to take the floor and to provide their input during the discussion. 163 00:06:25.124 --> 00:06:25.545 And of course, 164 00:06:25.565 --> 00:06:29.887 this is taken into account during the opinion making. 165 00:06:30.027 --> 00:06:34.670 But also all the comments that have been provided during the consultation are looked at 166 00:06:34.930 --> 00:06:39.694 and there will be a response to them into the final opinion once it will be finalised. 167 00:06:40.354 --> 00:06:40.635 Okay, 168 00:06:40.695 --> 00:06:40.995 thank you. 169 00:06:41.796 --> 00:06:49.482 Another thing that kind of jumped at me when you were talking was that there was this lack of detailed information on hazards and risks for the alternatives for these uses. 170 00:06:49.522 --> 00:06:54.366 So how does the committee handle these kinds of information gaps in their assessments? 171 00:06:55.467 --> 00:06:55.667 Well, 172 00:06:55.947 --> 00:07:04.514 we do our best also because this is a very wide restriction with a lot of sub-applications and therefore we have to look at a very high number of possible alternatives. 173 00:07:05.795 --> 00:07:11.557 Every time this information is available in the dossier submitted by the dossier submitters, 174 00:07:11.597 --> 00:07:13.958 by the countries that are behind this proposal, 175 00:07:14.599 --> 00:07:16.499 the committee can look carefully into it, 176 00:07:16.619 --> 00:07:18.640 but sometimes this information is not available. 177 00:07:18.740 --> 00:07:22.742 So if there is no other possible source of information, 178 00:07:22.842 --> 00:07:26.624 the committee adds these into the uncertainties into their assessment. 179 00:07:27.044 --> 00:07:30.626 So we try to navigate through the availability of the information. 180 00:07:31.186 --> 00:07:32.847 And when it's not available, 181 00:07:32.847 --> 00:07:33.187 of course, 182 00:07:33.187 --> 00:07:35.648 we take into account these in form of uncertainty. 183 00:07:36.449 --> 00:07:36.649 Right. 184 00:07:36.669 --> 00:07:40.070 So then ultimately the decision makers will be looking over these, 185 00:07:40.090 --> 00:07:41.111 including the uncertainties 186 00:07:41.111 --> 00:07:44.973 and taking those into account in the final decision to regulate these chemicals. 187 00:07:45.333 --> 00:07:45.893 That's the idea. 188 00:07:46.734 --> 00:07:47.034 Maybe then, 189 00:07:47.134 --> 00:07:47.394 Maria, 190 00:07:47.474 --> 00:07:49.275 jumping to you on the same topic. 191 00:07:49.655 --> 00:07:51.736 So you covered actually the same sectors, 192 00:07:51.796 --> 00:07:53.677 but from the socio-economic perspective, 193 00:07:54.077 --> 00:07:55.378 anything you can share with us? 194 00:07:56.030 --> 00:07:56.170 Well, 195 00:07:56.210 --> 00:07:58.671 I can mention that for energy and for transport, 196 00:07:58.691 --> 00:08:01.032 we actually had only introductory discussions. 197 00:08:01.072 --> 00:08:05.713 So the rapporteurs provided a presentation introducing the sectors. 198 00:08:05.713 --> 00:08:08.654 There have been some changes since the dossier was submitted, 199 00:08:09.274 --> 00:08:11.155 updates made by the five authorities. 200 00:08:11.875 --> 00:08:15.476 And there we will continue actually in June with the discussions. 201 00:08:16.036 --> 00:08:17.877 For applications of fluorinated gases, 202 00:08:17.957 --> 00:08:20.017 there we came to provisional conclusions. 203 00:08:20.037 --> 00:08:21.558 So that one we have finished, 204 00:08:21.598 --> 00:08:22.038 basically. 205 00:08:22.578 --> 00:08:22.938 And there, 206 00:08:22.958 --> 00:08:23.479 as usual, 207 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:25.661 we have looked at the availability of alternatives, 208 00:08:25.701 --> 00:08:30.966 and then we've looked at the cost and benefits and what derogations are needed to ensure proportionality. 209 00:08:31.646 --> 00:08:36.390 You talked about the socio-economic benefits and costs for implementing the restrictions, 210 00:08:36.430 --> 00:08:39.893 but can you elaborate on the key benefits that you expect, 211 00:08:40.354 --> 00:08:40.594 you know, 212 00:08:40.634 --> 00:08:42.215 if and when these restrictions take place? 213 00:08:43.316 --> 00:08:43.517 Yes. 214 00:08:43.597 --> 00:08:43.737 Well, 215 00:08:43.737 --> 00:08:48.501 the benefits are an area where the link between the work of RAC and SEAC is very close. 216 00:08:49.062 --> 00:08:49.182 So... 217 00:08:49.582 --> 00:08:52.785 the benefits that we see are as a result of the emission reduction, 218 00:08:52.905 --> 00:08:55.727 which is something that RAC gives us as information. 219 00:08:56.328 --> 00:08:59.050 So what we've got there are environmental benefits. 220 00:08:59.690 --> 00:08:59.911 And, 221 00:09:00.151 --> 00:09:00.391 you know, 222 00:09:00.391 --> 00:09:02.333 these are very persistent substances. 223 00:09:02.533 --> 00:09:08.898 So also there's fewer costs of remediation because we know that it's technically and economically very, 224 00:09:08.958 --> 00:09:11.660 very difficult to clean up these PFAS from the environment. 225 00:09:12.181 --> 00:09:12.981 When it's possible, 226 00:09:13.122 --> 00:09:15.083 the remediation techniques are known to be very, 227 00:09:15.143 --> 00:09:16.164 very expensive as well. 228 00:09:16.224 --> 00:09:16.344 So, 229 00:09:16.544 --> 00:09:16.805 you know, 230 00:09:16.865 --> 00:09:18.106 if fewer emissions... 231 00:09:18.854 --> 00:09:22.796 less PFAS in the stock and then less cost to remediate. 232 00:09:23.537 --> 00:09:23.777 Also, 233 00:09:23.817 --> 00:09:24.457 in some cases, 234 00:09:24.457 --> 00:09:26.258 we know that there are human health impacts. 235 00:09:26.699 --> 00:09:29.940 So if there is fewer emissions into the environment, 236 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:34.583 there's less exposure and fewer of those negative health impacts that can happen. 237 00:09:34.823 --> 00:09:34.943 So, 238 00:09:35.163 --> 00:09:35.404 you know, 239 00:09:36.764 --> 00:09:37.205 on the whole, 240 00:09:37.225 --> 00:09:38.766 those are the benefits that we're talking about. 241 00:09:39.546 --> 00:09:42.948 So essentially cheaper to clean up because you don't have to clean up as much, 242 00:09:43.348 --> 00:09:45.950 less health impact and less persistent chemicals in the environment. 243 00:09:46.010 --> 00:09:46.350 Exactly. 244 00:09:46.974 --> 00:09:47.115 Okay, 245 00:09:47.135 --> 00:09:49.280 what about then leading on from those benefits, one task of the committee is to look at proportionality of any measures that are taken. 246 00:09:52.970 --> 00:09:54.474 Can you talk a bit more about how you do that? 247 00:09:55.022 --> 00:09:55.162 Yeah, 248 00:09:55.182 --> 00:09:58.943 so we basically bring together these benefits with also the costs. 249 00:09:59.143 --> 00:10:02.624 So we start out by looking at the availability of alternatives, 250 00:10:02.644 --> 00:10:03.284 because obviously, 251 00:10:03.464 --> 00:10:04.685 if there are alternatives, 252 00:10:05.045 --> 00:10:08.086 that influences what the costs are of not using PFAS. 253 00:10:08.206 --> 00:10:08.446 You know, 254 00:10:08.746 --> 00:10:11.927 it's different if you've got something to replace them with than if you don't. 255 00:10:12.967 --> 00:10:16.108 Then we look at what the benefits are in terms of the emissions reduction, 256 00:10:16.128 --> 00:10:19.469 and we bring it all together when we talk about proportionality. 257 00:10:19.889 --> 00:10:23.890 And then what we do as a result of this is we start out by thinking, 258 00:10:23.970 --> 00:10:24.210 okay. 259 00:10:24.510 --> 00:10:25.130 given the risk, 260 00:10:25.130 --> 00:10:28.651 we know that as long as the right derogations are proposed, 261 00:10:29.211 --> 00:10:30.792 the restriction would be proportionate. 262 00:10:31.152 --> 00:10:34.273 So we look sector by sector at what we know about the cost, 263 00:10:34.293 --> 00:10:34.913 the benefits, 264 00:10:34.913 --> 00:10:36.313 the availability of alternatives, 265 00:10:36.733 --> 00:10:44.135 and we make or not a recommendation as to whether we can conclude about whether derogation is necessary to ensure the proportionality. 266 00:10:44.155 --> 00:10:44.816 In some cases, 267 00:10:44.816 --> 00:10:46.156 the information is just not there. 268 00:10:46.636 --> 00:10:47.356 But in some cases, 269 00:10:47.396 --> 00:10:49.077 we're able to say that yes, 270 00:10:49.357 --> 00:10:52.638 one would be needed to ensure proportionality or that in some cases, 271 00:10:52.738 --> 00:10:53.718 one would not 272 00:10:53.798 --> 00:10:55.540 be needed to ensure proportionality. 273 00:10:56.401 --> 00:11:02.286 Maybe if we can then talk a bit more about the types of uses that are included in these three applications. 274 00:11:03.628 --> 00:11:05.750 So among the applications of fluorinated gases, 275 00:11:05.770 --> 00:11:07.551 we discuss things like refrigeration, 276 00:11:07.652 --> 00:11:08.172 heat pumps, 277 00:11:08.212 --> 00:11:11.215 and there we're talking also about the ones that are used in households, 278 00:11:11.916 --> 00:11:12.676 air conditioning, 279 00:11:12.797 --> 00:11:14.098 so those types of things. 280 00:11:14.538 --> 00:11:18.182 And this is quite a difficult sector in the sense that it interacts 281 00:11:18.362 --> 00:11:20.183 quite a bit with existing regulations. 282 00:11:20.203 --> 00:11:23.004 The main one there being the Fluorinated Gases Regulation, 283 00:11:23.464 --> 00:11:28.646 which covers already many of the substances which are looked at in the PFAS restriction. 284 00:11:29.326 --> 00:11:32.068 We can also provide some examples for the energy sector, 285 00:11:32.128 --> 00:11:32.648 for instance, 286 00:11:32.668 --> 00:11:35.629 as mentioned batteries are very important for the green transition, 287 00:11:35.669 --> 00:11:37.290 but also solar collectors, 288 00:11:37.470 --> 00:11:39.331 fuel cells involving hydrogen, 289 00:11:39.791 --> 00:11:40.631 or more in general, 290 00:11:40.791 --> 00:11:42.372 renewable energy generation, 291 00:11:42.452 --> 00:11:44.413 so quite important applications. 292 00:11:44.953 --> 00:11:45.993 When it goes to transport, 293 00:11:46.033 --> 00:11:47.074 it's about cars, 294 00:11:47.214 --> 00:11:47.634 boats. 295 00:11:47.834 --> 00:11:49.155 airplanes and trains, 296 00:11:49.635 --> 00:11:50.956 and when they are manufactured, 297 00:11:51.656 --> 00:11:53.997 like the body or the fuselage construction, 298 00:11:54.558 --> 00:11:55.678 but also fuel, 299 00:11:55.938 --> 00:11:56.979 engine systems, 300 00:11:56.979 --> 00:11:57.1000 hydraulic fluids. 301 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:01.361 So there are really a wide range of possible examples. 302 00:12:02.262 --> 00:12:02.622 All right, 303 00:12:02.682 --> 00:12:04.483 thank you both for those insights. 304 00:12:04.523 --> 00:12:05.684 So to summarise, 305 00:12:05.784 --> 00:12:09.166 you covered PFAS in applications of fluorinated gases, 306 00:12:09.266 --> 00:12:10.066 transport and energy, 307 00:12:10.226 --> 00:12:12.207 all very big sectors with a lot of uses. 308 00:12:12.628 --> 00:12:13.508 For all these uses, 309 00:12:13.688 --> 00:12:16.870 the Risk Assessment Committee reached provisional conclusions. 310 00:12:17.306 --> 00:12:23.410 Whereas the Socio-Economic Analysis Committee will still continue discussing transport and energy in the next plenary. 311 00:12:23.410 --> 00:12:24.270 And you mentioned June, 312 00:12:24.330 --> 00:12:24.550 right? 313 00:12:25.351 --> 00:12:25.551 Yes, 314 00:12:25.591 --> 00:12:25.991 exactly. 315 00:12:26.011 --> 00:12:26.551 So in SEAC, 316 00:12:26.571 --> 00:12:28.853 we will obviously continue with energy and transport, 317 00:12:28.913 --> 00:12:29.853 which we started now. 318 00:12:30.394 --> 00:12:33.755 And we will also start discussing medical devices and lubricants. 319 00:12:34.316 --> 00:12:34.696 In RAC, 320 00:12:34.876 --> 00:12:37.478 they will do also medical devices and lubricants. 321 00:12:37.558 --> 00:12:38.238 And in their case, 322 00:12:38.258 --> 00:12:40.799 they will introduce electronics and semiconductors. 323 00:12:41.260 --> 00:12:42.160 And then in September, 324 00:12:42.220 --> 00:12:45.202 RAC will continue with electronics and semiconductors and SEAC 325 00:12:45.362 --> 00:12:46.702 will have their discussion, 326 00:12:46.702 --> 00:12:48.803 the full discussion in that month. 327 00:12:49.943 --> 00:12:50.643 And as usual, 328 00:12:50.683 --> 00:12:53.264 we are really dependent on how the five authorities, 329 00:12:53.284 --> 00:12:54.785 who as a reminder are Germany, 330 00:12:55.025 --> 00:12:55.565 Netherlands, 331 00:12:55.665 --> 00:12:56.165 Denmark, 332 00:12:56.245 --> 00:12:57.145 Sweden and Norway, 333 00:12:58.026 --> 00:13:00.466 how they can update their initial restriction report, 334 00:13:00.726 --> 00:13:02.587 which is following the consultation input. 335 00:13:03.667 --> 00:13:05.027 This brings up another question I have. 336 00:13:05.027 --> 00:13:05.608 So how does this, 337 00:13:05.748 --> 00:13:11.269 the fact that it's been submitted by the five authorities and the expertise that you have in the committees in general, 338 00:13:11.709 --> 00:13:13.790 how does that play in the work of the committee? So, 339 00:13:13.830 --> 00:13:13.950 how do you ensure that there's independence? 340 00:13:17.373 --> 00:13:19.275 Because obviously you have different viewpoints coming in. 341 00:13:20.136 --> 00:13:20.696 How do you make sure? 342 00:13:21.197 --> 00:13:21.357 Well, 343 00:13:21.377 --> 00:13:24.960 the first thing to say is that our members are independent experts. 344 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:26.682 So they're not ECHA staff, 345 00:13:26.902 --> 00:13:27.503 for instance. 346 00:13:27.943 --> 00:13:30.045 They are nominated by each of the member states. 347 00:13:30.425 --> 00:13:35.110 But it's also really important to note that they're not coming to represent their member states. 348 00:13:35.170 --> 00:13:36.071 They are independent. 349 00:13:36.091 --> 00:13:37.372 They're only nominated by them. 350 00:13:37.672 --> 00:13:39.074 Our management board appoints them. 351 00:13:39.598 --> 00:13:42.719 And they are coming there to bring in their own expertise. 352 00:13:42.939 --> 00:13:43.559 And actually, 353 00:13:43.819 --> 00:13:46.140 they are able to change their mind even during the meeting. 354 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:46.620 Sometimes, 355 00:13:46.620 --> 00:13:46.840 you know, 356 00:13:46.820 --> 00:13:47.940 they listen to the evidence, 357 00:13:47.940 --> 00:13:51.281 they have a discussion and actually decide that they can change their mind. 358 00:13:52.001 --> 00:13:55.362 And we have several processes in place to ensure this independence, 359 00:13:55.442 --> 00:13:56.923 both from their member states. 360 00:13:56.923 --> 00:13:59.083 So they cannot take instructions from the member state. 361 00:13:59.163 --> 00:14:03.985 But also we make sure that they are not influenced by any other interest they may have. 362 00:14:03.985 --> 00:14:05.925 And we're talking here about economic interest. 363 00:14:05.925 --> 00:14:07.766 So we make sure that they are independent. 364 00:14:07.806 --> 00:14:08.546 We check that. 365 00:14:08.946 --> 00:14:10.727 They all declare what their interests are. 366 00:14:10.727 --> 00:14:11.807 And as Chairs, 367 00:14:11.867 --> 00:14:15.889 Roberto and I make sure that there isn't anything there that is unduly influencing them. 368 00:14:16.629 --> 00:14:16.829 Right. 369 00:14:16.829 --> 00:14:17.209 So really, 370 00:14:17.209 --> 00:14:20.551 the committees are mostly made up of people from outside of ECHA. 371 00:14:21.131 --> 00:14:24.953 And ECHA provides kind of the secretariat and the support and the chairing of the meetings. 372 00:14:24.993 --> 00:14:25.833 That's exactly it. 373 00:14:25.933 --> 00:14:26.713 We support them, 374 00:14:26.813 --> 00:14:29.054 but they are the ones who are coming to the conclusions. 375 00:14:29.214 --> 00:14:33.376 And also important to note that the opinions are the opinions of the whole committee. 376 00:14:33.396 --> 00:14:37.938 So we have certain committee members who are taking the pen and actually drafting the opinions. 377 00:14:38.470 --> 00:14:40.395 But the whole committee needs to agree. 378 00:14:41.611 --> 00:14:41.771 Okay, 379 00:14:41.811 --> 00:14:41.931 well, 380 00:14:41.951 --> 00:14:44.252 let's wrap up PFAS then for now. 381 00:14:44.372 --> 00:14:48.793 This will be coming back to probably all of our episodes in the near future and beyond. 382 00:14:49.233 --> 00:14:52.294 And let's talk about harmonised classification and labelling, 383 00:14:52.534 --> 00:14:54.715 specifically for silver nitrate. 384 00:14:54.755 --> 00:14:58.056 So it already has harmonised classifications, 385 00:14:58.136 --> 00:14:58.776 for example, 386 00:14:58.996 --> 00:15:02.037 as a substance that causes severe skin burns and eye damage. 387 00:15:02.557 --> 00:15:08.099 But now the Swedish authorities have proposed to introduce quite a few new classifications. 388 00:15:08.239 --> 00:15:09.299 So also including... 389 00:15:09.899 --> 00:15:11.019 things like reaprotoxicity, 390 00:15:11.219 --> 00:15:13.980 so it could damage fertility and the unborn child. 391 00:15:15.060 --> 00:15:15.901 To start us off with, 392 00:15:16.181 --> 00:15:18.061 where is silver nitrate used? 393 00:15:18.281 --> 00:15:19.842 Can you give a few examples? 394 00:15:21.062 --> 00:15:21.322 Indeed, 395 00:15:21.362 --> 00:15:24.263 there is quite a broad use of this kind of substance. 396 00:15:24.623 --> 00:15:25.023 Mostly, 397 00:15:25.023 --> 00:15:31.105 it is to provide human hygiene or disinfection or to help veterinary hygiene. 398 00:15:31.225 --> 00:15:31.485 Also, 399 00:15:32.085 --> 00:15:34.086 as an additive for food and feeds, 400 00:15:34.366 --> 00:15:35.386 also in drinking water. 401 00:15:35.886 --> 00:15:38.427 So it's a quite wide range of consumer applications. 402 00:15:38.907 --> 00:15:43.708 This also probably is a measure of the interest of the dossier submitter in providing such a proposal. 403 00:15:44.869 --> 00:15:46.949 And what did the committee then conclude, 404 00:15:47.029 --> 00:15:47.609 in its opinion? 405 00:15:48.590 --> 00:15:54.771 It was quite a long process because also we took into account new information that was made available. 406 00:15:55.332 --> 00:16:00.833 And the main outcome of it was that the committee concluded for reprotoxicity category 407 00:16:01.173 --> 00:16:03.474 1b. So it's a quite severe classification. 408 00:16:03.514 --> 00:16:07.855 It means that the substance may damage the fertility or the unborn child 409 00:16:08.419 --> 00:16:11.582 but it was also classified as suspected of causing cancer, 410 00:16:11.822 --> 00:16:13.403 is a category 2 carcinogen. 411 00:16:14.324 --> 00:16:18.628 It is also of interest the specific target organ toxicity, 412 00:16:19.008 --> 00:16:20.870 what is called in jargon STOT, 413 00:16:21.430 --> 00:16:29.077 for repeated exposure because the substance has been found to cause damage to the nervous system through prolonged or repeated exposure. 414 00:16:29.537 --> 00:16:34.481 So there is overall quite a high set of severe classification. 415 00:16:35.142 --> 00:16:36.463 And I would like to add that 416 00:16:36.643 --> 00:16:47.030 There were many references to a former RAC opinion on the silver ion that was issued a few years ago that could not reach consensus at that time. 417 00:16:47.070 --> 00:16:47.971 But this time, 418 00:16:48.451 --> 00:16:50.933 even if there is a certain similarity of the substance, 419 00:16:51.073 --> 00:16:53.895 new data allowed the committee to reach a consensus decision. 420 00:16:53.915 --> 00:16:55.636 So there was no minority opinion. 421 00:16:55.777 --> 00:17:01.541 And this was due definitely to the broader amount of information that was looked at by the committee. 422 00:17:02.221 --> 00:17:04.783 And also to mention that this was based on a read-across. 423 00:17:05.123 --> 00:17:14.487 and this also resulted in quite some complex discussions because other similar substances could be used up to a certain extent to support such a classification. 424 00:17:14.607 --> 00:17:17.488 And just can you explain read across in a nutshell just for our listeners too? 425 00:17:18.548 --> 00:17:34.475 Well in a nutshell read across means that you can establish a link between the substance at stake and a similar substance and if data on the similar substance are available we can use them with certain precautions and in a way you don't need to test or to add new information because 426 00:17:34.863 --> 00:17:38.825 the similarity is so strong that allows to make this step. 427 00:17:39.466 --> 00:17:39.686 Okay. 428 00:17:39.706 --> 00:17:40.506 And then ultimately, 429 00:17:40.766 --> 00:17:41.747 as with all of these, 430 00:17:42.027 --> 00:17:43.608 the European Commission together with the 431 00:17:44.428 --> 00:17:47.190 EU countries will decide on the final harmonised classification. 432 00:17:47.190 --> 00:17:47.430 Of course, 433 00:17:47.550 --> 00:17:50.372 we will submit this opinion to the European Commission. 434 00:17:50.392 --> 00:17:54.414 They will decide whether it deserves to be added into the so-called Annex VI. 435 00:17:54.774 --> 00:17:56.095 And the moment it does, 436 00:17:56.195 --> 00:18:00.397 it means that it becomes the obligatory harmonised classification at European level. 437 00:18:00.798 --> 00:18:03.319 And this has important consequences in terms of 438 00:18:03.419 --> 00:18:04.800 hazard information. 439 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:05.821 So through the label, 440 00:18:06.202 --> 00:18:06.622 people, 441 00:18:07.102 --> 00:18:11.686 workers will be informed of what they should do to be safe when they use such substance. 442 00:18:12.747 --> 00:18:12.967 Okay, 443 00:18:13.007 --> 00:18:13.308 thank you, 444 00:18:13.328 --> 00:18:13.728 Roberto. 445 00:18:13.788 --> 00:18:18.192 Let's then move on to the second substance on the list of harmonised classifications. 446 00:18:18.272 --> 00:18:19.633 So silicon dioxide. 447 00:18:20.114 --> 00:18:20.374 Now, 448 00:18:20.954 --> 00:18:24.237 this substance doesn't yet have a harmonised classification, 449 00:18:24.618 --> 00:18:30.643 but the Dutch authorities are proposing to harmonise it in the EU as a substance that causes ... 450 00:18:31.171 --> 00:18:33.272 damage to the respiratory tract when inhaled. 451 00:18:34.392 --> 00:18:37.194 Can you give some examples of where this chemical is used? 452 00:18:38.254 --> 00:18:38.534 Sure. 453 00:18:38.714 --> 00:18:41.575 There are wide uses in a large variety of applications, 454 00:18:41.635 --> 00:18:45.017 but first I should also mention this substance is known with different names, 455 00:18:45.077 --> 00:18:45.537 including, 456 00:18:45.597 --> 00:18:46.097 for instance, 457 00:18:46.117 --> 00:18:47.558 synthetic amorphous silica. 458 00:18:47.718 --> 00:18:53.460 So I really invite our listeners to check carefully the opinion to be sure that we refer to the same substance. 459 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:54.381 I took the easy way out. 460 00:18:54.401 --> 00:18:56.121 I just said the short version to make it easier. 461 00:18:56.602 --> 00:18:57.162 Absolutely. 462 00:18:57.542 --> 00:18:59.543 So the uses were related to paints, 463 00:18:59.783 --> 00:19:00.083 rubber 464 00:19:00.203 --> 00:19:00.643 products, 465 00:19:00.683 --> 00:19:01.743 but also cosmetics, 466 00:19:01.903 --> 00:19:02.764 food additives, 467 00:19:02.964 --> 00:19:04.644 even in manufacturing of textiles. 468 00:19:04.664 --> 00:19:06.685 So quite a broad range of uses. 469 00:19:07.285 --> 00:19:12.446 And even biocidal products like disinfectants and pest control and plant protection products. 470 00:19:12.446 --> 00:19:13.907 So quite a wide range. 471 00:19:14.787 --> 00:19:16.728 And what was the committee's conclusion then? 472 00:19:17.488 --> 00:19:18.568 As you mentioned very well, 473 00:19:18.728 --> 00:19:22.809 it's about specific target organ toxicity for repeated exposure. 474 00:19:22.809 --> 00:19:26.750 So it means that the substance has the intrinsic property to damage an organ, 475 00:19:27.230 --> 00:19:27.871 in this case, 476 00:19:27.871 --> 00:19:29.271 the respiratory tract through 477 00:19:29.431 --> 00:19:33.513 inhalation because it can cause certain inflammatory responses. 478 00:19:34.093 --> 00:19:36.214 And this deserves a category one, 479 00:19:36.254 --> 00:19:38.455 so it's a quite severe classification. 480 00:19:39.736 --> 00:19:48.379 I think it's also a nice case to remind of the importance of the hazard communication because in the case the European Commission will decide to follow the RAC opinion, 481 00:19:49.740 --> 00:19:55.283 this will have important consequences in terms of hazard information that will be made available to consumers, 482 00:19:55.283 --> 00:19:56.003 to workers. 483 00:19:56.756 --> 00:19:59.567 So this information will allow the users 484 00:20:00.810 --> 00:20:02.251 to take the precautions, 485 00:20:02.271 --> 00:20:07.913 the risk management measures or any protection that is needed to avoid an undue exposure to the chemical. 486 00:20:09.454 --> 00:20:09.734 All right, 487 00:20:09.734 --> 00:20:12.855 now let's shift our focus to the Drinking Water Directive. 488 00:20:12.915 --> 00:20:28.161 So this directive is actually playing a very important role in safeguarding the well-being of citizens and the environment and it addresses the potential risks that are associated with contaminated drinking water so it ensures also better access to clean drinking water. 489 00:20:29.362 --> 00:20:30.163 In 2021, 490 00:20:30.203 --> 00:20:34.026 the European Commission gave ECHA specific tasks under the directive. 491 00:20:34.587 --> 00:20:42.734 And one of the most interesting ones is setting up lists of chemicals that can be safely used in any materials that come into contact with drinking water. 492 00:20:43.214 --> 00:20:44.615 These are so-called positive lists. 493 00:20:44.756 --> 00:20:46.517 And for maintaining these lists, 494 00:20:46.637 --> 00:20:49.380 the Risk Assessment Committee also plays a key role. 495 00:20:49.840 --> 00:20:50.280 Roberto, 496 00:20:50.521 --> 00:20:54.104 the committee has now been getting ready for the Drinking Water Directive. 497 00:20:54.384 --> 00:20:56.506 Could you give us an update on where we are with the work? 498 00:20:57.886 --> 00:20:58.026 Well, 499 00:20:58.066 --> 00:20:58.426 firstly, 500 00:20:58.466 --> 00:21:02.109 I'm really proud RAC has been entrusted with this new important task. 501 00:21:02.529 --> 00:21:03.270 It's a clear sign, 502 00:21:03.310 --> 00:21:03.590 I think, 503 00:21:03.610 --> 00:21:06.412 that we have been successful in our activities in the past, 504 00:21:06.472 --> 00:21:09.534 and we hope we will be able to deliver also on those new tasks. 505 00:21:10.214 --> 00:21:12.016 The revised Drinking Water Directive, 506 00:21:12.036 --> 00:21:12.296 indeed, 507 00:21:12.476 --> 00:21:15.678 entered into force in 2021. 508 00:21:15.678 --> 00:21:23.263 We can describe it as a sort of permitting system for materials that come into direct contact with drinking water when you collect, 509 00:21:23.403 --> 00:21:24.004 purify, 510 00:21:24.144 --> 00:21:24.744 transport, 511 00:21:24.844 --> 00:21:25.965 or store that water. 512 00:21:25.985 --> 00:21:27.306 So it's a quite important task. 513 00:21:27.974 --> 00:21:31.656 And we are specifically looking at four materials like organic, 514 00:21:31.756 --> 00:21:32.277 metallic, 515 00:21:32.377 --> 00:21:33.277 cement tissues, 516 00:21:33.478 --> 00:21:34.238 or ceramic, 517 00:21:34.278 --> 00:21:35.599 or other inorganics. 518 00:21:36.139 --> 00:21:36.519 And they have, 519 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:36.940 of course, 520 00:21:37.020 --> 00:21:41.823 different information requirements and different needs following their specific properties. 521 00:21:42.603 --> 00:21:46.506 The first European positive list were adopted in April 2024. 522 00:21:46.726 --> 00:21:47.586 And we have done a 523 00:21:47.967 --> 00:21:53.030 15-year review program that starts with the overall goal to ensure the safe use of those materials. 524 00:21:53.778 --> 00:21:58.180 So ECHA is entrusted to carry out a regular maintenance of the European positive list. 525 00:21:58.420 --> 00:22:00.081 This means adding new entries, 526 00:22:00.241 --> 00:22:01.061 modifying them, 527 00:22:01.241 --> 00:22:02.342 or even removing them. 528 00:22:03.042 --> 00:22:08.044 And all entries in the first EU positive list need to be reviewed by 2039, 529 00:22:08.324 --> 00:22:09.104 if applied for. 530 00:22:09.925 --> 00:22:10.185 All right, 531 00:22:10.845 --> 00:22:11.465 one question. 532 00:22:11.485 --> 00:22:11.665 I mean, 533 00:22:11.645 --> 00:22:13.706 in terms of kind of the size of this whole thing, 534 00:22:13.926 --> 00:22:14.947 we're talking about water. 535 00:22:15.487 --> 00:22:20.089 What kind of impact do you foresee on the companies that are working on this? 536 00:22:20.129 --> 00:22:20.329 I mean, 537 00:22:20.369 --> 00:22:22.350 compared to the other tasks that ECHA is doing? 538 00:22:23.582 --> 00:22:25.583 How wide is this sector? 539 00:22:25.763 --> 00:22:28.523 That's quite a significant amount of work, 540 00:22:28.644 --> 00:22:29.364 I have to say. 541 00:22:30.204 --> 00:22:33.925 And if we try to approach this from the applicant's point of view, 542 00:22:33.985 --> 00:22:38.806 they first make up their mind if they wish to stay into the list. 543 00:22:38.967 --> 00:22:47.669 So this means that they have to apply and to prepare a dossier that will demonstrate actually the safety of those materials to be used in this specific sector. 544 00:22:48.209 --> 00:22:50.730 This is done first via notification to ECHA that 545 00:22:50.890 --> 00:22:53.431 will become possible as of 2026. 546 00:22:54.332 --> 00:22:56.693 And then for a substance to remain in the positive list, 547 00:22:57.714 --> 00:23:00.775 you need to submit an application following such a notification. 548 00:23:01.276 --> 00:23:07.159 And the first applications are expected to be received as of January 2027. 549 00:23:07.219 --> 00:23:09.800 That's the first date possible for such a submission. 550 00:23:10.481 --> 00:23:12.982 And then when the real RAC work will start. 551 00:23:13.522 --> 00:23:17.504 So we will also seek input from third parties on relevant information. 552 00:23:17.544 --> 00:23:20.186 So there will be the possibility also for third parties to 553 00:23:20.466 --> 00:23:20.786 input. 554 00:23:21.347 --> 00:23:24.709 And then the RAC task is relatively similar to what it does today. 555 00:23:24.889 --> 00:23:27.871 So it's to evaluate if those substances that are used, 556 00:23:28.452 --> 00:23:31.394 also their potential to migrate into drinking water, 557 00:23:31.434 --> 00:23:33.295 that's the main concern we want to address. 558 00:23:33.875 --> 00:23:43.782 And also overall assess whether there is a risk to consumers coming from the materials that are used for the purposes of transporting or being in contact with drinking water. 559 00:23:44.983 --> 00:23:49.606 It's also fair to mention this task requires new competencies that are not necessarily 560 00:23:49.786 --> 00:23:51.067 present today in the committee. 561 00:23:51.527 --> 00:23:52.508 And for this purpose, 562 00:23:52.628 --> 00:24:01.373 we have established a new working group that has a specific task to look into the aspects where the committee is not yet fully equipped in terms of competencies. 563 00:24:02.133 --> 00:24:08.137 And now we are really working into identifying process and procedures that will be applicable in the two years to come. 564 00:24:09.277 --> 00:24:09.478 Okay. 565 00:24:09.498 --> 00:24:09.818 I mean, 566 00:24:09.878 --> 00:24:16.642 it sounds like 2026 and 2027 are going to be critical years for both applicants and the committee. 567 00:24:17.850 --> 00:24:21.112 From the initial notifications to the start of applications, 568 00:24:21.312 --> 00:24:24.553 I think it sounds like there's also a lot of groundwork that's already being laid. 569 00:24:25.033 --> 00:24:29.815 You mentioned the creation of this working group to develop the processes and expertise. 570 00:24:30.435 --> 00:24:31.356 With all of this in motion, 571 00:24:31.416 --> 00:24:36.238 are there any suggestions or tips that you'd like to share with listeners who might be interested in this area? 572 00:24:36.938 --> 00:24:37.178 Yeah, 573 00:24:37.298 --> 00:24:37.558 thank you, 574 00:24:37.558 --> 00:24:37.718 Adam, 575 00:24:37.718 --> 00:24:38.259 for the question. 576 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:44.941 I think the first one is that each application will be submitted to ECHA via a software that is called IUCLID. 577 00:24:45.562 --> 00:24:45.682 So... 578 00:24:46.402 --> 00:24:48.504 it's probably time that you familiarise with it. 579 00:24:49.005 --> 00:24:53.710 There is a lot of guidance available because that's the tool that will be used to submit the notification. 580 00:24:54.262 --> 00:25:02.584 We have also set up a user group for stakeholders that wish to learn more about how the future ECHA's IT tools will work. 581 00:25:03.144 --> 00:25:08.046 So trying them and also provide valuable feedback to further development. 582 00:25:08.106 --> 00:25:09.106 So in such a case, 583 00:25:09.146 --> 00:25:12.027 feel free to contact ECHA for more additional information. 584 00:25:13.267 --> 00:25:13.427 Right. 585 00:25:13.427 --> 00:25:16.288 And I think we also had a webinar recently on the drinking water directive. 586 00:25:16.308 --> 00:25:19.769 So another way to get familiar with that and ask questions. 587 00:25:20.129 --> 00:25:20.389 All right. 588 00:25:20.409 --> 00:25:20.689 Thank you. 589 00:25:20.749 --> 00:25:21.550 So to sum up, 590 00:25:21.650 --> 00:25:23.190 the committee plays a key role 591 00:25:23.410 --> 00:25:23.850 once again, 592 00:25:23.870 --> 00:25:26.652 in evaluating applications related to the directive, 593 00:25:27.152 --> 00:25:28.013 and in particular, 594 00:25:28.453 --> 00:25:33.836 in assessing then how these materials used in contact with drinking water might affect our safety. 595 00:25:34.476 --> 00:25:38.318 The process will involve applicants using IUCLID to submit their applications, 596 00:25:38.338 --> 00:25:38.919 as you mentioned. 597 00:25:39.779 --> 00:25:41.880 I think the user group is also interesting to mention again. 598 00:25:41.940 --> 00:25:48.104 So the stakeholders that are interested in engaging with ECHA's tools and providing feedback for their further development will be available. 599 00:25:48.164 --> 00:25:51.786 So we really get the feedback from those who will be using the tools on what they need. 600 00:25:54.454 --> 00:25:56.876 That wraps up our first episode of the year. 601 00:25:57.477 --> 00:25:57.877 Thank you, 602 00:25:57.977 --> 00:25:58.878 Maria and Roberto, 603 00:25:59.098 --> 00:26:01.139 for sharing your insights from the committees. 604 00:26:01.600 --> 00:26:04.482 And we'll then be seeing you back on the podcast in June. 605 00:26:05.423 --> 00:26:08.245 We have a lot of interesting topics lined up for you this year, 606 00:26:08.425 --> 00:26:08.866 including, 607 00:26:08.946 --> 00:26:09.486 of course, 608 00:26:09.726 --> 00:26:11.128 these regular committee updates. 609 00:26:11.528 --> 00:26:13.269 But we also have a few surprises in store. 610 00:26:13.369 --> 00:26:18.794 So subscribe to our news and get notified about new episodes and follow us on social media. 611 00:26:19.675 --> 00:26:23.818 You can now also find us on BlueSky and a link to that is in the episode description. 612 00:26:24.734 --> 00:26:25.877 So thank you for tuning in, 613 00:26:26.478 --> 00:26:27.441 and until next time, 614 00:26:27.882 --> 00:26:28.263 goodbye. 615 00:26:30.047 --> 00:26:31.751 Safer Chemicals Podcast. 616 00:26:32.493 --> 00:26:34.598 Sound science on harmful chemicals.