WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.911 --> 00:00:11.371 Guess what? 2 00:00:11.851 --> 00:00:12.832 I'm moving country again. 3 00:00:14.153 --> 00:00:14.573 I don't know, 4 00:00:14.853 --> 00:00:15.494 maybe a year, 5 00:00:15.854 --> 00:00:16.454 maybe more. 6 00:00:17.415 --> 00:00:17.975 Where's the phone? 7 00:00:17.976 --> 00:00:19.136 The phone's everywhere. 8 00:00:19.396 --> 00:00:20.457 I'm an expat. 9 00:00:20.817 --> 00:00:21.017 Hey, 10 00:00:21.298 --> 00:00:23.019 it's Pauline from ET Expats, 11 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:25.620 and today I am with Shannon, 12 00:00:25.901 --> 00:00:28.082 who is an American based in Germany, 13 00:00:28.202 --> 00:00:29.223 Baden-Württemberg. 14 00:00:30.224 --> 00:00:30.764 She built... 15 00:00:30.904 --> 00:00:33.565 her own business and aesthetic center. 16 00:00:34.385 --> 00:00:39.826 So she's going to talk to us about navigating entrepreneurship when you are abroad, 17 00:00:40.146 --> 00:00:42.107 all this while raising a family. 18 00:00:42.807 --> 00:00:43.407 Hi Shannon, 19 00:00:43.467 --> 00:00:43.928 how are you? 20 00:00:44.768 --> 00:00:44.948 Good, 21 00:00:45.088 --> 00:00:45.568 thank you. 22 00:00:46.288 --> 00:00:47.168 Great to have you. 23 00:00:49.609 --> 00:00:50.249 You're welcome. 24 00:00:50.289 --> 00:00:50.469 Well, 25 00:00:50.609 --> 00:00:56.511 I'll hand it over to you for a quick introduction before we dive into your expat journey. 26 00:00:57.111 --> 00:00:57.551 Okay, 27 00:00:58.431 --> 00:01:00.432 I moved here about 14 years ago. 28 00:01:01.152 --> 00:01:02.033 from San Francisco, 29 00:01:02.373 --> 00:01:02.613 which 30 00:01:03.213 --> 00:01:04.073 I know is crazy, 31 00:01:05.174 --> 00:01:07.155 from right outside of San Francisco. 32 00:01:07.995 --> 00:01:08.175 Okay. 33 00:01:08.435 --> 00:01:10.376 But I do consider myself a city girl. 34 00:01:11.016 --> 00:01:12.417 So when I met my husband, 35 00:01:13.477 --> 00:01:14.378 my German husband, 36 00:01:14.998 --> 00:01:17.299 we met in Las Vegas. 37 00:01:17.919 --> 00:01:19.560 He was on like a guy's weekend. 38 00:01:19.620 --> 00:01:21.320 I was on a girl's weekend, 39 00:01:21.501 --> 00:01:23.421 and we just fell in love at first sight. 40 00:01:24.142 --> 00:01:24.942 And initially, 41 00:01:25.002 --> 00:01:29.564 we were planning on him moving to San Francisco because... 42 00:01:30.532 --> 00:01:32.493 I didn't even know what Germany was. 43 00:01:32.553 --> 00:01:32.973 I was like, 44 00:01:33.013 --> 00:01:33.253 what? 45 00:01:34.033 --> 00:01:34.653 I was like, 46 00:01:34.693 --> 00:01:35.814 where is it? 47 00:01:35.854 --> 00:01:36.434 Is there water? 48 00:01:37.374 --> 00:01:37.794 I was like, 49 00:01:37.854 --> 00:01:38.834 I can't figure out. 50 00:01:38.874 --> 00:01:39.275 I don't know. 51 00:01:40.115 --> 00:01:42.135 We don't have the best history in America. 52 00:01:42.936 --> 00:01:46.557 So we actually just decided 53 00:01:47.217 --> 00:01:54.079 I would move here because it was very difficult to do the visas and fiance visas and marriage visas, 54 00:01:54.619 --> 00:01:55.019 et cetera, 55 00:01:55.039 --> 00:01:55.479 et cetera. 56 00:01:56.039 --> 00:01:58.080 So after a year of a long-distance relationship, 57 00:01:58.160 --> 00:01:58.320 which... 58 00:01:58.796 --> 00:02:02.679 Crazy stories happened in between that year of him trying to get to the U.S. 59 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:05.242 It just was really not going to happen. 60 00:02:05.262 --> 00:02:06.463 And we didn't want to wait any longer. 61 00:02:06.563 --> 00:02:07.083 So we said, 62 00:02:07.084 --> 00:02:07.403 all right, 63 00:02:07.644 --> 00:02:09.725 we'll come to Germany. 64 00:02:10.326 --> 00:02:11.927 I had visited several times by then. 65 00:02:12.588 --> 00:02:14.109 And I'll take a leave of absence. 66 00:02:14.149 --> 00:02:15.911 I was working for a biotech company. 67 00:02:15.931 --> 00:02:17.031 Okay. 68 00:02:17.051 --> 00:02:19.874 And I just finished an art school. 69 00:02:20.554 --> 00:02:21.135 And 70 00:02:22.856 --> 00:02:23.377 I was like, 71 00:02:23.417 --> 00:02:23.677 okay, 72 00:02:23.757 --> 00:02:24.538 I'm going to Germany. 73 00:02:24.539 --> 00:02:25.679 I'll take a leave of absence. 74 00:02:26.019 --> 00:02:26.840 And we'll get married. 75 00:02:27.140 --> 00:02:30.562 And then we'll move back to San Francisco once you can get a green card. 76 00:02:30.563 --> 00:02:33.124 So the plan was to come back after Wednesday or March. 77 00:02:33.164 --> 00:02:33.424 Yeah. 78 00:02:34.205 --> 00:02:35.626 And then after a year, 79 00:02:35.826 --> 00:02:36.527 my company was like, 80 00:02:36.567 --> 00:02:36.867 okay, 81 00:02:37.007 --> 00:02:37.227 sorry, 82 00:02:37.247 --> 00:02:37.707 you have to go. 83 00:02:39.088 --> 00:02:39.789 We can't hold on. 84 00:02:39.929 --> 00:02:40.870 Or not after six months, 85 00:02:40.890 --> 00:02:41.130 sorry. 86 00:02:41.150 --> 00:02:41.570 And I was like, 87 00:02:41.590 --> 00:02:41.710 oh, 88 00:02:41.711 --> 00:02:42.091 my gosh, 89 00:02:42.131 --> 00:02:42.351 okay, 90 00:02:42.411 --> 00:02:42.531 well, 91 00:02:42.771 --> 00:02:43.612 maybe I'll come back. 92 00:02:43.692 --> 00:02:45.273 So after a year, 93 00:02:45.853 --> 00:02:47.614 I decided I wasn't going to go back. 94 00:02:48.015 --> 00:02:52.098 And we were going to go on a five-year plan because I really love to travel. 95 00:02:52.298 --> 00:02:55.040 And it's so easy from here to just go everywhere. 96 00:02:55.876 --> 00:02:56.616 So I said, 97 00:02:56.676 --> 00:02:56.856 okay, 98 00:02:56.896 --> 00:02:57.557 let's travel. 99 00:02:57.597 --> 00:02:58.337 Let's stay here. 100 00:02:58.857 --> 00:03:00.157 Let's enjoy our marriage, 101 00:03:00.217 --> 00:03:01.258 our first years of marriage. 102 00:03:01.318 --> 00:03:03.418 I was helping my husband build his career. 103 00:03:03.978 --> 00:03:09.720 And I was just traveling and running and doing whatever fun stuff I could figure out. 104 00:03:09.721 --> 00:03:13.501 And probably I was lost half the time because in 2011, 105 00:03:13.541 --> 00:03:14.741 we didn't have navigation. 106 00:03:15.221 --> 00:03:16.402 It built into the car. 107 00:03:17.322 --> 00:03:18.662 So I had to use one of those. 108 00:03:18.663 --> 00:03:19.343 Just driving around. 109 00:03:20.303 --> 00:03:21.083 I was driving around. 110 00:03:21.084 --> 00:03:22.443 Never found that grocery store. 111 00:03:24.324 --> 00:03:25.505 It was not easy, 112 00:03:26.286 --> 00:03:28.988 but we managed. 113 00:03:28.989 --> 00:03:30.649 Then we were on a five-year plan, 114 00:03:31.269 --> 00:03:32.210 and then I got pregnant. 115 00:03:33.831 --> 00:03:34.372 And then we said, 116 00:03:34.452 --> 00:03:34.732 okay, 117 00:03:34.952 --> 00:03:36.573 we're not moving to America anytime soon. 118 00:03:36.593 --> 00:03:39.215 So then I just decided to start my business after I had my son. 119 00:03:40.136 --> 00:03:40.376 And, 120 00:03:41.277 --> 00:03:41.517 yeah, 121 00:03:42.478 --> 00:03:43.899 it's been amazing. 122 00:03:43.979 --> 00:03:44.139 And, 123 00:03:45.480 --> 00:03:45.600 yeah, 124 00:03:45.640 --> 00:03:47.001 that's what brought me here to Europe, 125 00:03:47.041 --> 00:03:47.582 and I love it. 126 00:03:47.862 --> 00:03:49.563 I don't think I'll ever live back in the States. 127 00:03:51.092 --> 00:03:51.792 As of right now, 128 00:03:52.172 --> 00:03:54.293 unless my kids decide to live there in the future, 129 00:03:54.313 --> 00:03:55.173 then maybe I would. 130 00:03:55.273 --> 00:03:56.654 But as of now, 131 00:03:56.874 --> 00:03:58.414 I'm here and I love it. 132 00:04:00.094 --> 00:04:00.255 Well, 133 00:04:00.515 --> 00:04:03.275 let's go back to when you first moved. 134 00:04:03.955 --> 00:04:07.336 So you're saying you had visited several times. 135 00:04:07.337 --> 00:04:09.217 So you've seen the city. 136 00:04:10.737 --> 00:04:11.878 When you moved, 137 00:04:12.038 --> 00:04:16.239 was there still that big culture shock and adjustment? 138 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:19.560 I'm still adjusting and I'm still having a culture shock. 139 00:04:20.380 --> 00:04:20.540 Wow. 140 00:04:21.901 --> 00:04:36.607 but now it's like a really weird thing i don't know i'm sure you know because you talk to expats all the time or like i live in like two alter universes or something i don't know like when i go home i have a culture culture shock when i go back to california and 141 00:04:36.647 --> 00:04:45.630 i i also have culture shocks here regularly just the way things are wow being married to raising a family with somebody from a different culture. 142 00:04:46.070 --> 00:04:46.851 My background is 143 00:04:47.771 --> 00:04:48.512 Latin American. 144 00:04:50.748 --> 00:04:53.130 We are just so different, 145 00:04:53.470 --> 00:04:53.830 you know, 146 00:04:54.070 --> 00:04:56.192 and yes. 147 00:04:57.072 --> 00:04:59.113 So I actually found a girl on Instagram recently. 148 00:04:59.193 --> 00:04:59.474 She's 149 00:05:00.494 --> 00:05:01.115 Latin as well. 150 00:05:01.116 --> 00:05:03.116 And she married a German and she has like a whole. 151 00:05:03.892 --> 00:05:08.113 whole Instagram about it because it is just like crazy different, 152 00:05:08.114 --> 00:05:08.453 you know? 153 00:05:09.074 --> 00:05:09.714 So I mean, 154 00:05:09.934 --> 00:05:10.054 yeah, 155 00:05:10.274 --> 00:05:14.155 the culture shocks were coming like regularly. 156 00:05:14.355 --> 00:05:15.875 It took a lot for me. 157 00:05:16.256 --> 00:05:21.957 I've met good friends through my language classes and we're still friends now. 158 00:05:22.097 --> 00:05:22.958 So that's really cool. 159 00:05:23.458 --> 00:05:24.038 That's cool. 160 00:05:24.058 --> 00:05:28.239 Both of them have moved and yeah, 161 00:05:28.499 --> 00:05:31.280 it's such a different culture from the U.S. 162 00:05:31.940 --> 00:05:33.501 And from my background, 163 00:05:35.182 --> 00:05:36.903 there's tons of things I can mention. 164 00:05:36.943 --> 00:05:37.184 Like, 165 00:05:37.924 --> 00:05:39.445 there's just so much. 166 00:05:39.446 --> 00:05:40.566 What's the first one that comes? 167 00:05:41.586 --> 00:05:41.767 Oh, 168 00:05:42.047 --> 00:05:44.388 just the hello. 169 00:05:45.649 --> 00:05:46.109 Saying hello. 170 00:05:47.330 --> 00:05:48.911 You walk into a store and you're like, 171 00:05:49.392 --> 00:05:49.672 hi, 172 00:05:50.032 --> 00:05:51.033 I'm here to buy something. 173 00:05:51.073 --> 00:05:52.153 Does anybody want to see? 174 00:05:53.514 --> 00:05:54.415 They don't work on commission, 175 00:05:54.495 --> 00:05:54.935 obviously. 176 00:05:56.396 --> 00:06:13.921 um you're just like okay so i what i've done what i've managed to do over time is i've managed to bring my personality which is pretty big to them so they can't really get away from it so i'm just like when i get to the store if they're not gonna greet me then i just greet them and 177 00:06:14.181 --> 00:06:22.843 hi and i smile and if they don't smile i'm like oh my god well they must be having a bad day so i don't take anything personally like i used to i used to be very sensitive about things like that because 178 00:06:23.984 --> 00:06:24.584 I come from a 179 00:06:25.516 --> 00:06:44.732 hi how are you or yeah oh you look nice i like your shoes or your hair looks good kind of culture to a culture where it's like just eye contact and that's it and no smile and no blinking so that that is probably the people are definitely the biggest culture 180 00:06:44.752 --> 00:06:54.840 shock i would say but i love how you say i've just accepted it but i still you know keep my personality and bring it there but don't take offense it's great so you're still like 181 00:06:54.960 --> 00:07:13.185 blending the two of you know how they work that's it yeah but you're you're staying true to yourself it's part of yourself and that's how it's exactly and I try really hard to to do that also for my kids and my kids are amazing um because 182 00:07:13.245 --> 00:07:22.227 I don't want them to I don't want to fall like fall into a way that I'm not I want to stay authentic to myself and then maybe people will learn from me And honestly, 183 00:07:22.228 --> 00:07:22.827 not people, 184 00:07:22.927 --> 00:07:24.448 but like neighbors and... 185 00:07:24.868 --> 00:07:27.690 people in the buildings or whoever will also be like, 186 00:07:27.730 --> 00:07:27.850 oh, 187 00:07:27.890 --> 00:07:29.591 maybe it's nice to smile and say hello. 188 00:07:29.771 --> 00:07:29.891 Or, 189 00:07:30.491 --> 00:07:30.811 you know, 190 00:07:31.051 --> 00:07:32.452 or like, 191 00:07:32.453 --> 00:07:32.652 you know, 192 00:07:32.692 --> 00:07:33.193 so I just 193 00:07:33.533 --> 00:07:35.674 I learned over the years I have taught myself. 194 00:07:36.174 --> 00:07:37.215 They don't mean any harm. 195 00:07:37.315 --> 00:07:38.556 That's just a cultural thing. 196 00:07:38.996 --> 00:07:41.237 They're not they don't hate you. 197 00:07:41.717 --> 00:07:43.398 You don't you aren't offending them. 198 00:07:43.498 --> 00:07:44.999 They're just who they are. 199 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:46.020 And I, 200 00:07:46.180 --> 00:07:46.480 you know, 201 00:07:47.341 --> 00:07:48.681 so when I do go home, 202 00:07:50.042 --> 00:07:51.823 especially if I go to like certain areas, 203 00:07:51.903 --> 00:07:53.504 I'm always also shocked because I'm like 204 00:07:53.984 --> 00:07:54.505 oh my gosh, 205 00:07:54.585 --> 00:07:56.026 this person really wants to talk to me. 206 00:07:58.488 --> 00:07:58.608 Or, 207 00:07:59.108 --> 00:07:59.369 you know, 208 00:07:59.370 --> 00:08:00.469 or somebody will help me. 209 00:08:00.569 --> 00:08:00.770 Like, 210 00:08:01.050 --> 00:08:01.290 you know, 211 00:08:01.310 --> 00:08:06.214 I have a tendency now that I'm in Europe to carry all of my stuff in my arms or in a box because, 212 00:08:06.735 --> 00:08:07.015 you know, 213 00:08:07.095 --> 00:08:07.815 you just do it. 214 00:08:08.476 --> 00:08:09.597 And at the grocery store, 215 00:08:09.598 --> 00:08:10.237 for instance, 216 00:08:10.258 --> 00:08:11.278 and if I do that in the US, 217 00:08:11.338 --> 00:08:12.219 somebody will come up and go, 218 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:12.940 excuse me, 219 00:08:13.020 --> 00:08:14.401 do you need a card here? 220 00:08:14.481 --> 00:08:15.402 Or here's a basket. 221 00:08:16.082 --> 00:08:21.347 And here people will watch me like stack stuff and drop it and do whatever. 222 00:08:21.348 --> 00:08:22.708 And they'll never offer help. 223 00:08:23.432 --> 00:08:26.094 So I always have both a culture shock in both homes. 224 00:08:26.795 --> 00:08:26.955 Yeah. 225 00:08:28.016 --> 00:08:28.196 Yeah. 226 00:08:29.597 --> 00:08:29.817 Okay. 227 00:08:30.598 --> 00:08:30.738 Well, 228 00:08:30.878 --> 00:08:33.961 let's move forward with your business. 229 00:08:33.981 --> 00:08:36.363 So you were saying you took a leave of absence. 230 00:08:36.423 --> 00:08:37.584 And then when that ended, 231 00:08:38.164 --> 00:08:41.127 that's when you decided to build this business. 232 00:08:41.207 --> 00:08:44.490 What was your thought process around it? 233 00:08:44.930 --> 00:08:48.513 So the way I have it in my head is 234 00:08:50.975 --> 00:08:52.096 I've always loved art. 235 00:08:52.500 --> 00:08:52.920 and beauty. 236 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:57.083 Like those are my two passions for everything and everything since I can remember, 237 00:08:57.163 --> 00:08:58.103 like those are what I love. 238 00:09:00.365 --> 00:09:02.326 When I went to graphic design school, 239 00:09:02.386 --> 00:09:04.727 I realized afterwards that this was not what I wanted. 240 00:09:05.247 --> 00:09:07.649 It just seemed like it was the right direction at the time. 241 00:09:09.030 --> 00:09:10.611 I loved a lot of it, 242 00:09:10.771 --> 00:09:14.173 but doing it after it was just not for me. 243 00:09:14.733 --> 00:09:16.354 I love to be in touch with people. 244 00:09:16.694 --> 00:09:19.736 I love to create what's in my own. 245 00:09:20.996 --> 00:09:23.417 create my own stuff as opposed to what other people want. 246 00:09:23.957 --> 00:09:24.797 And I love people. 247 00:09:24.937 --> 00:09:25.437 So I, 248 00:09:25.877 --> 00:09:26.918 when you're in graphic design, 249 00:09:26.978 --> 00:09:28.038 you're like in this room. 250 00:09:28.458 --> 00:09:28.578 Well, 251 00:09:28.618 --> 00:09:29.619 for me at that time, 252 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:30.239 it's different now. 253 00:09:31.439 --> 00:09:31.659 But 254 00:09:32.139 --> 00:09:32.479 I just, 255 00:09:32.719 --> 00:09:35.020 I wasn't having the human interaction. 256 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:36.501 So when I got here and I was like, 257 00:09:36.502 --> 00:09:36.701 okay, 258 00:09:36.702 --> 00:09:42.562 I'm definitely not going to work for a German company because they're going to like really not want me there. 259 00:09:42.602 --> 00:09:44.523 Cause I'm like late probably, 260 00:09:45.243 --> 00:09:47.724 and probably wearing way too many bright colors. 261 00:09:48.180 --> 00:09:48.701 So I was like, 262 00:09:48.821 --> 00:09:49.602 I have to start my, 263 00:09:49.902 --> 00:09:50.703 I have to start my, 264 00:09:50.743 --> 00:09:51.544 I'm too like, 265 00:09:51.864 --> 00:09:52.184 you know, 266 00:09:52.364 --> 00:09:52.484 hi. 267 00:09:52.665 --> 00:09:53.485 And they're just like, 268 00:09:53.546 --> 00:09:53.886 okay. 269 00:09:55.107 --> 00:09:55.848 But I was like, 270 00:09:55.868 --> 00:09:58.010 I have to start my own business because I definitely want to work. 271 00:09:58.791 --> 00:09:58.911 I'm, 272 00:09:59.632 --> 00:10:00.372 I'm very ambitious, 273 00:10:00.392 --> 00:10:00.693 you know? 274 00:10:00.773 --> 00:10:01.754 So I said, 275 00:10:01.774 --> 00:10:05.037 I'll start a beauty business because that's what I love the most. 276 00:10:05.097 --> 00:10:07.560 And that's when permanent makeup started getting really popular. 277 00:10:08.377 --> 00:10:24.549 in 2015 so i went to amsterdam and took some classes in english and courses i should say um and i also went to esthetician school here in germany and um and then i decided 278 00:10:24.569 --> 00:10:30.934 permanent makeup was exactly like what i what i exactly what i wanted to do because it was like i got to kind of draw, 279 00:10:32.075 --> 00:10:35.157 but also do it with makeup and make. 280 00:10:35.257 --> 00:10:49.523 and it makes people happy you know so it's like changing their whole way they feel and every day and yeah waking up if a woman hasn't had eyebrows and you know five or ten years or whatever and then she now she does like these kind of things just made me happy so 281 00:10:50.143 --> 00:11:02.509 I started it and I just did a lot of trainings with various um course uh trainers all over from all over um and I got really good at it and I built a 282 00:11:04.529 --> 00:11:14.033 my own community here and I got really lucky when I moved here to Stuttgart because there is a huge American community here because of the military okay which 283 00:11:14.434 --> 00:11:30.340 I had no idea because I'm from California and out of all 40 of my cousins only two went to the military so it's not like I'm from a state where a lot like a lot of people get out of high school and they go to the military like Washington DC or 284 00:11:30.520 --> 00:11:31.441 Virginia and 285 00:11:31.941 --> 00:11:36.082 So I had no idea there was a huge base here until I actually moved here. 286 00:11:36.882 --> 00:11:37.062 And 287 00:11:37.583 --> 00:11:39.783 I realized that those were going to be my people. 288 00:11:40.883 --> 00:11:43.004 So I started to market myself to those, 289 00:11:43.244 --> 00:11:46.945 to them and built a huge client list. 290 00:11:47.045 --> 00:11:47.925 A lot of, 291 00:11:48.225 --> 00:11:53.687 one of the downfalls that I've learned to live with is that they leave. 292 00:11:54.187 --> 00:11:55.167 They're only here for three, 293 00:11:55.307 --> 00:11:56.048 five years. 294 00:11:56.448 --> 00:11:57.448 Also with friendships, 295 00:11:57.449 --> 00:11:57.688 you know, 296 00:11:57.708 --> 00:11:59.929 I make American friends and then they leave. 297 00:12:00.049 --> 00:12:01.029 Um... 298 00:12:02.157 --> 00:12:04.579 So I have a huge American community here, 299 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:08.281 and that's always been really amazing for my business. 300 00:12:08.722 --> 00:12:09.702 Also for my soul, 301 00:12:10.203 --> 00:12:12.424 because I get to talk to my American people. 302 00:12:12.484 --> 00:12:13.405 And no matter what, 303 00:12:13.445 --> 00:12:13.625 like, 304 00:12:13.665 --> 00:12:14.946 we're from the same place, 305 00:12:15.046 --> 00:12:17.628 even though the country's huge, 306 00:12:18.028 --> 00:12:20.690 we're still grew up in this eating the same foods, 307 00:12:21.330 --> 00:12:22.231 watching the same TV, 308 00:12:22.411 --> 00:12:23.492 reading the same books. 309 00:12:24.132 --> 00:12:24.392 Just, 310 00:12:24.533 --> 00:12:24.833 you know, 311 00:12:25.593 --> 00:12:25.733 it's. 312 00:12:25.893 --> 00:12:26.074 Yeah, 313 00:12:26.094 --> 00:12:27.094 there's that connection. 314 00:12:27.395 --> 00:12:28.115 There's a connection, 315 00:12:28.116 --> 00:12:28.876 a cultural connection. 316 00:12:28.877 --> 00:12:29.036 Yeah. 317 00:12:29.816 --> 00:12:30.357 Exactly. 318 00:12:30.477 --> 00:12:30.917 So that's. 319 00:12:31.137 --> 00:12:32.237 was a huge thing. 320 00:12:32.397 --> 00:12:36.419 I am so blessed that my husband is from this area because of that. 321 00:12:37.379 --> 00:12:39.039 And after a few years, 322 00:12:39.099 --> 00:12:43.821 after I got really good and my reviews started like skyrocketing and word of mouth, 323 00:12:43.822 --> 00:12:45.401 and then the Germans started coming in. 324 00:12:46.101 --> 00:12:48.102 And now at this day, 325 00:12:48.282 --> 00:12:48.402 I, 326 00:12:48.462 --> 00:12:50.042 in 2025, 327 00:12:50.062 --> 00:12:51.123 I will say that I have 50% 328 00:12:51.583 --> 00:12:53.503 German clients and 50% 329 00:12:53.843 --> 00:12:54.444 Americans. 330 00:12:54.904 --> 00:12:55.384 Germans, 331 00:12:55.604 --> 00:12:57.785 backgrounds, 332 00:12:57.825 --> 00:12:58.625 but yeah. 333 00:12:58.626 --> 00:12:58.785 And, 334 00:12:58.925 --> 00:12:59.105 um, 335 00:12:59.985 --> 00:13:00.105 Yeah, 336 00:13:00.165 --> 00:13:00.285 so 337 00:13:01.647 --> 00:13:04.329 I built by myself from the ground up. 338 00:13:04.830 --> 00:13:08.253 I started in my home studio when my son was 339 00:13:09.994 --> 00:13:13.057 10. I started when he was just born. 340 00:13:15.940 --> 00:13:23.327 And then recently I decided to rent out a place because I got really busy and I needed to separate home and work. 341 00:13:23.507 --> 00:13:23.987 Home, 342 00:13:24.028 --> 00:13:24.228 yeah. 343 00:13:24.308 --> 00:13:24.508 Yes. 344 00:13:25.068 --> 00:13:25.449 I'm like. 345 00:13:25.889 --> 00:13:26.089 Okay, 346 00:13:26.090 --> 00:13:26.209 great. 347 00:13:26.309 --> 00:13:27.730 See you guys in six hours. 348 00:13:29.311 --> 00:13:31.152 Great expansion. 349 00:13:31.153 --> 00:13:32.132 So I expanded, 350 00:13:32.193 --> 00:13:39.817 and next year I plan on hiring somebody also in the beauty industry and pretty much as a mentor, 351 00:13:40.177 --> 00:13:43.779 training her and teaching her how to start her own business. 352 00:13:43.839 --> 00:13:44.419 That's my goal. 353 00:13:45.460 --> 00:13:45.680 And, 354 00:13:45.820 --> 00:13:45.960 yeah, 355 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:48.381 it was very difficult in the beginning, 356 00:13:48.461 --> 00:13:50.362 mostly because of the language and the bureaucracy. 357 00:13:50.422 --> 00:13:51.303 I don't know if you're aware, 358 00:13:51.323 --> 00:13:51.963 but Germany is 359 00:13:53.124 --> 00:13:54.625 I'm not that surprised, 360 00:13:54.645 --> 00:13:55.265 but that's... 361 00:13:55.525 --> 00:13:57.746 a point I wanted to dig in of, 362 00:13:57.946 --> 00:13:58.146 okay, 363 00:13:58.226 --> 00:13:59.527 starting a business is hard, 364 00:13:59.707 --> 00:14:02.309 but like when you do it abroad with the admin, 365 00:14:02.389 --> 00:14:03.169 the bureaucracy, 366 00:14:03.369 --> 00:14:04.170 the language, 367 00:14:05.130 --> 00:14:06.311 how do you navigate that? 368 00:14:07.391 --> 00:14:07.592 Well, 369 00:14:07.812 --> 00:14:09.393 my husband has always been supportive, 370 00:14:09.453 --> 00:14:13.255 but I always tell him I feel like he threw me into the ocean and took off with the boat. 371 00:14:16.076 --> 00:14:16.496 And I'm like, 372 00:14:16.536 --> 00:14:16.977 okay, 373 00:14:18.758 --> 00:14:19.598 I'll make it. 374 00:14:20.579 --> 00:14:22.960 Because he has his own career to take care of. 375 00:14:23.140 --> 00:14:23.860 And yeah, 376 00:14:24.060 --> 00:14:24.801 in the beginning of... 377 00:14:25.702 --> 00:14:26.442 starting my business, 378 00:14:26.562 --> 00:14:29.084 mine was more like a dream. 379 00:14:30.245 --> 00:14:33.048 And I don't think anybody really believed that I would actually, 380 00:14:33.468 --> 00:14:33.708 you know, 381 00:14:34.128 --> 00:14:37.151 get to where I'm at or where I'm going. 382 00:14:37.471 --> 00:14:38.632 And 383 00:14:39.012 --> 00:14:43.376 I'll never forget when I told my father-in-law and my husband's father that I want to start a business. 384 00:14:43.377 --> 00:14:43.636 He's like, 385 00:14:43.696 --> 00:14:43.836 oh, 386 00:14:43.876 --> 00:14:44.217 Shannon, 387 00:14:45.057 --> 00:14:47.219 starting a business in Germany is really difficult. 388 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:49.621 I don't think you shouldn't get into that. 389 00:14:49.701 --> 00:14:49.981 You know, 390 00:14:50.442 --> 00:14:51.723 you should just get a normal job. 391 00:14:51.724 --> 00:14:52.143 And I was like, 392 00:14:52.343 --> 00:14:52.643 hmm. 393 00:14:52.723 --> 00:14:52.964 Oh, 394 00:14:53.044 --> 00:14:53.924 very encouraging. 395 00:14:54.966 --> 00:14:55.607 And I was like, 396 00:14:56.108 --> 00:14:56.408 Dieter, 397 00:14:57.530 --> 00:14:57.851 watch. 398 00:14:58.291 --> 00:14:59.353 And then like five years later, 399 00:14:59.354 --> 00:14:59.654 he was like, 400 00:14:59.734 --> 00:14:59.854 oh, 401 00:14:59.894 --> 00:15:00.295 my God, 402 00:15:00.375 --> 00:15:00.756 Shannon. 403 00:15:01.297 --> 00:15:01.517 Like, 404 00:15:01.657 --> 00:15:02.619 I'm so proud. 405 00:15:02.659 --> 00:15:03.300 I tell everybody, 406 00:15:03.340 --> 00:15:08.229 my granddaughter-in-law started a business and she's very successful. 407 00:15:08.989 --> 00:15:10.290 And I show everybody your website. 408 00:15:10.310 --> 00:15:10.770 And I was like, 409 00:15:10.810 --> 00:15:11.030 okay. 410 00:15:11.070 --> 00:15:11.390 Then that, 411 00:15:11.610 --> 00:15:12.051 at that point, 412 00:15:12.052 --> 00:15:12.311 I was like, 413 00:15:13.612 --> 00:15:15.533 but it was very difficult. 414 00:15:16.453 --> 00:15:18.154 Not so much starting a business, 415 00:15:18.234 --> 00:15:20.275 like getting a business license is not that difficult. 416 00:15:20.335 --> 00:15:22.436 You just thank God for Google Translator. 417 00:15:22.537 --> 00:15:25.478 But more so getting clients, 418 00:15:25.778 --> 00:15:26.339 marketing, 419 00:15:26.939 --> 00:15:28.400 trying the language. 420 00:15:28.520 --> 00:15:29.060 My German, 421 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:30.621 I went to German classes for, 422 00:15:31.281 --> 00:15:31.682 I have my 423 00:15:32.822 --> 00:15:37.305 B1, which is like conversational German, 424 00:15:37.345 --> 00:15:37.745 I guess. 425 00:15:38.473 --> 00:15:42.095 But I could not speak at all until I started having German clients. 426 00:15:42.635 --> 00:15:45.537 And then when I started practicing and practicing, 427 00:15:45.777 --> 00:15:48.319 I can talk beauty in German like a native, 428 00:15:49.319 --> 00:15:52.061 but something else probably not so good. 429 00:15:53.361 --> 00:15:54.982 But it was difficult, 430 00:15:55.183 --> 00:15:57.224 but also fun and challenging. 431 00:15:57.924 --> 00:15:59.025 And yeah, 432 00:15:59.225 --> 00:16:01.466 so it was definitely. 433 00:16:01.746 --> 00:16:03.727 How did you approach that marketing? 434 00:16:04.848 --> 00:16:06.069 I would say most of it is. 435 00:16:07.677 --> 00:16:08.018 One thing I, 436 00:16:08.019 --> 00:16:10.139 there's many things I love about Germans, 437 00:16:10.179 --> 00:16:12.601 but one of the things I do love is Germans are very loyal. 438 00:16:13.522 --> 00:16:14.183 And when you, 439 00:16:14.463 --> 00:16:15.284 when one loves you, 440 00:16:16.004 --> 00:16:17.626 when you crack that shell on one, 441 00:16:18.646 --> 00:16:19.607 maybe it's just the Thwabians, 442 00:16:19.608 --> 00:16:20.588 because that's where we are here in 443 00:16:21.209 --> 00:16:21.809 Swabianland. 444 00:16:22.890 --> 00:16:24.411 But when you crack that shell, 445 00:16:24.611 --> 00:16:31.517 like they love you and then they're coming and they're bringing their mother and their sister and their cousin and their friends and their coworkers and their brother's wife. 446 00:16:31.597 --> 00:16:31.717 And, 447 00:16:32.378 --> 00:16:33.779 and that's pretty much what happened. 448 00:16:34.420 --> 00:16:35.661 And I just kind of got into that. 449 00:16:36.101 --> 00:16:44.443 the community and now yeah yeah they just word of mouth that's been my main my that's been my only marketing I've never done marketing 450 00:16:45.224 --> 00:17:03.609 I've never done I will start now that I have a outside business but I had enough business and I didn't want to bring more at the time but I will start now to do more marketing and not just word of mouth so that should be fun it's always a challenge but it's always fun and I absolutely love love love everything about it yeah 451 00:17:03.610 --> 00:17:04.009 Yeah. 452 00:17:05.189 --> 00:17:05.569 Nice. 453 00:17:06.250 --> 00:17:12.213 And so did you have any adapting to do in terms of just this, 454 00:17:13.154 --> 00:17:18.356 the service or the way of being around the German clients versus your American clients? 455 00:17:19.037 --> 00:17:19.157 Oh, 456 00:17:19.217 --> 00:17:19.477 yes, 457 00:17:19.777 --> 00:17:20.298 definitely. 458 00:17:20.738 --> 00:17:21.638 There's a lot of things, 459 00:17:21.658 --> 00:17:21.898 you know, 460 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:26.701 that's why I said I love so much that I have American clients, 461 00:17:27.282 --> 00:17:27.882 because 462 00:17:29.803 --> 00:17:31.184 I get to use my, 463 00:17:32.144 --> 00:17:33.205 I don't know how to say it. 464 00:17:33.505 --> 00:17:36.326 I can express myself in a way I can't in German. 465 00:17:37.647 --> 00:17:37.947 Yeah. 466 00:17:37.948 --> 00:17:39.708 You speak your bilingual or trilingual. 467 00:17:39.828 --> 00:17:41.028 I don't know how many languages you speak, 468 00:17:41.029 --> 00:17:42.829 but I think in your native tongue, 469 00:17:43.509 --> 00:17:44.529 especially when it's English, 470 00:17:44.549 --> 00:17:47.211 because English is such a big language. 471 00:17:47.631 --> 00:17:49.471 I feel like when I say big language, 472 00:17:49.472 --> 00:17:50.692 I mean like you could use so much. 473 00:17:50.693 --> 00:17:53.073 There's so many words and expressing yourself in so many ways. 474 00:17:53.074 --> 00:17:53.513 And it's like, 475 00:17:53.893 --> 00:17:54.133 to me, 476 00:17:54.153 --> 00:17:55.174 it feels more emotional. 477 00:17:57.235 --> 00:17:57.975 When I speak German, 478 00:17:57.976 --> 00:17:59.315 I'm more serious. 479 00:18:00.776 --> 00:18:01.436 So weird. 480 00:18:01.476 --> 00:18:01.896 I don't know. 481 00:18:02.137 --> 00:18:03.057 I don't know why. 482 00:18:03.837 --> 00:18:05.118 But I always think about that. 483 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:05.458 I'm like, 484 00:18:05.778 --> 00:18:07.840 I have tons of German friends and they're always like, 485 00:18:08.560 --> 00:18:08.820 you know, 486 00:18:08.821 --> 00:18:09.841 we can speak German. 487 00:18:09.861 --> 00:18:10.261 And I'm like, 488 00:18:10.262 --> 00:18:10.881 well, 489 00:18:10.901 --> 00:18:11.301 why? 490 00:18:11.982 --> 00:18:12.682 I don't want to speak German. 491 00:18:12.722 --> 00:18:13.783 I'm going to be a different person. 492 00:18:13.803 --> 00:18:16.084 I'm going to be a serious person. 493 00:18:18.565 --> 00:18:18.926 But yeah, 494 00:18:20.026 --> 00:18:26.550 I definitely think leaving them is a little easier, 495 00:18:26.950 --> 00:18:27.410 Germans, 496 00:18:27.831 --> 00:18:28.631 than Americans. 497 00:18:28.751 --> 00:18:29.992 Americans were a little spoiled. 498 00:18:32.317 --> 00:18:37.900 with convenience and customer service and giant parking lots. 499 00:18:37.901 --> 00:18:39.121 And I can think of a million things. 500 00:18:39.221 --> 00:18:40.722 We are a spoiled culture. 501 00:18:40.762 --> 00:18:41.102 Everybody, 502 00:18:41.402 --> 00:18:41.662 I mean, 503 00:18:41.922 --> 00:18:43.123 we Americans know that. 504 00:18:43.183 --> 00:18:44.844 And I think people around the world know that. 505 00:18:46.425 --> 00:18:47.725 But Germans are not. 506 00:18:47.805 --> 00:18:52.668 They're used to small and inconvenient. 507 00:18:53.248 --> 00:18:57.431 And so it's easier to please them because I want to make them happy. 508 00:18:57.471 --> 00:18:58.271 And they see that. 509 00:18:58.371 --> 00:19:01.813 So they're always leaving happy and they always come back. 510 00:19:02.345 --> 00:19:03.225 And when I say Germans, 511 00:19:03.226 --> 00:19:06.006 I'm not only talking about like actual Germans. 512 00:19:06.007 --> 00:19:12.148 I'm talking about people who either were moved here as an expat. 513 00:19:12.888 --> 00:19:14.048 They could be from France, 514 00:19:14.148 --> 00:19:14.669 Spain, 515 00:19:14.849 --> 00:19:15.149 Italy. 516 00:19:15.409 --> 00:19:17.829 I have clients from all over Europe, 517 00:19:18.930 --> 00:19:21.470 but they live here or were born here. 518 00:19:23.571 --> 00:19:23.691 So, 519 00:19:24.531 --> 00:19:24.671 yeah, 520 00:19:24.751 --> 00:19:25.051 I mean, 521 00:19:25.732 --> 00:19:26.092 I don't know. 522 00:19:26.372 --> 00:19:27.812 I love having both clients. 523 00:19:28.853 --> 00:19:30.233 It's hard sometimes when I have to switch. 524 00:19:30.513 --> 00:19:32.894 it's really hard when I have to switch between German and English. 525 00:19:32.914 --> 00:19:33.614 Like if I, 526 00:19:33.714 --> 00:19:37.355 like I had an American client and a German client and then I'm like, 527 00:19:37.695 --> 00:19:38.795 that's a bad twisting. 528 00:19:38.796 --> 00:19:39.155 And I'm like, 529 00:19:39.156 --> 00:19:39.656 Oh my God, 530 00:19:39.657 --> 00:19:40.256 the words, 531 00:19:40.257 --> 00:19:41.216 I can't find them. 532 00:19:41.256 --> 00:19:43.857 And yeah, 533 00:19:44.117 --> 00:19:44.237 so, 534 00:19:44.757 --> 00:19:44.977 um, 535 00:19:45.577 --> 00:19:48.598 but I really do love all of my clients. 536 00:19:48.678 --> 00:19:49.418 They make my day. 537 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:58.861 Anything else you want to add on that piece or on the business? 538 00:20:00.329 --> 00:20:12.065 i mean i would say you just have to go for it and i had to have a good i was very lucky with my support system because i technically didn't have to work um because i spent the first 539 00:20:13.044 --> 00:20:14.144 five years of my marriage, 540 00:20:14.204 --> 00:20:26.428 like helping my husband build his career and like supporting him and being the home person home and taking care of everything and supporting him and interview, 541 00:20:26.688 --> 00:20:28.028 doing his interviews with him. 542 00:20:28.128 --> 00:20:28.268 And, 543 00:20:28.328 --> 00:20:28.588 you know, 544 00:20:29.588 --> 00:20:30.169 just really, 545 00:20:30.449 --> 00:20:31.389 I was very supportive. 546 00:20:31.509 --> 00:20:31.629 So 547 00:20:32.929 --> 00:20:34.170 I supported him in the beginning, 548 00:20:34.350 --> 00:20:37.891 which kind of like gave him his lead. 549 00:20:38.411 --> 00:20:39.391 I think that's how I feel. 550 00:20:39.971 --> 00:20:40.431 And then, 551 00:20:41.292 --> 00:20:42.292 And then I got to take my. 552 00:20:42.656 --> 00:20:45.318 do my own so start my own business and 553 00:20:45.678 --> 00:20:55.325 I had support from him and um yeah it's but it was it's always been hard and it will always be hard but it's worth it a thousand percent I make my own schedule 554 00:20:56.666 --> 00:21:00.348 I can decorate my place however I want and um 555 00:21:00.708 --> 00:21:11.716 I have a really cool location now um and yeah I'm loving it yes all right well let's move on to your recommendations in uh Germany then 556 00:21:12.648 --> 00:21:18.410 So I always ask for a bar or a cafe and a restaurant that you'd recommend. 557 00:21:19.130 --> 00:21:19.330 Okay, 558 00:21:19.410 --> 00:21:21.410 so I live in Bublingen, 559 00:21:21.571 --> 00:21:24.291 which is like without traffic, 560 00:21:24.331 --> 00:21:26.892 like 10 kilometers or 15 kilometers from 561 00:21:29.073 --> 00:21:29.873 Stuttgart city. 562 00:21:30.833 --> 00:21:33.694 Stuttgart is a whole different walk in the park. 563 00:21:33.734 --> 00:21:35.834 So I would just say go to Stuttgart. 564 00:21:37.235 --> 00:21:38.015 Or if you're here. 565 00:21:38.595 --> 00:21:38.775 Okay, 566 00:21:38.795 --> 00:21:39.576 if you're in Bublingen, 567 00:21:39.616 --> 00:21:40.856 I do have recommendations. 568 00:21:41.016 --> 00:21:41.196 Cheers. 569 00:21:41.840 --> 00:21:43.261 amazing sushi restaurant, 570 00:21:43.541 --> 00:21:43.981 Kazumi, 571 00:21:44.262 --> 00:21:44.642 love it. 572 00:21:45.222 --> 00:21:48.484 And then actually the location where I'm working is Motor World. 573 00:21:49.124 --> 00:21:52.026 And this is where all of this is like the biggest, 574 00:21:52.226 --> 00:21:52.886 one of the biggest 575 00:21:53.927 --> 00:21:54.827 Motor World in Europe. 576 00:21:54.847 --> 00:21:57.949 It's like the main one where they have all around here, 577 00:21:57.950 --> 00:22:02.312 they have like little bars and restaurants and it's a cool area. 578 00:22:02.372 --> 00:22:08.455 And there's tons of cars and to like look at, 579 00:22:08.695 --> 00:22:08.955 you know, 580 00:22:09.015 --> 00:22:09.996 like just sightsee, 581 00:22:10.016 --> 00:22:10.416 I guess. 582 00:22:10.804 --> 00:22:11.124 Um, 583 00:22:12.244 --> 00:22:13.385 and then Stuttgart. 584 00:22:13.386 --> 00:22:13.945 Oh my gosh. 585 00:22:14.685 --> 00:22:15.285 There's tons. 586 00:22:15.325 --> 00:22:16.666 Um, 587 00:22:17.706 --> 00:22:17.826 yeah, 588 00:22:18.046 --> 00:22:18.306 there's, 589 00:22:18.506 --> 00:22:18.706 um, 590 00:22:18.926 --> 00:22:19.646 my favorite, 591 00:22:19.647 --> 00:22:21.947 I guess would be a Brazilian restaurant. 592 00:22:22.127 --> 00:22:24.068 It's really fun. 593 00:22:24.228 --> 00:22:25.308 It's like with churrasco. 594 00:22:25.948 --> 00:22:29.549 So they come and they like take the meat off and it's like all you can eat. 595 00:22:30.049 --> 00:22:30.589 It's amazing. 596 00:22:30.609 --> 00:22:31.290 They play music. 597 00:22:31.330 --> 00:22:32.050 They're Brazilian. 598 00:22:32.210 --> 00:22:32.650 So it's, 599 00:22:33.370 --> 00:22:33.670 um, 600 00:22:34.491 --> 00:22:35.951 it's lively. 601 00:22:36.871 --> 00:22:37.151 Um, 602 00:22:37.511 --> 00:22:39.152 and I re I really love that place. 603 00:22:39.192 --> 00:22:39.372 Yeah. 604 00:22:40.772 --> 00:22:41.112 Okay, 605 00:22:41.393 --> 00:22:41.513 well, 606 00:22:41.514 --> 00:22:43.414 I'll definitely be put in the comments then. 607 00:22:44.275 --> 00:22:45.156 And finally, 608 00:22:45.276 --> 00:22:46.857 what is your expat song? 609 00:22:48.418 --> 00:22:49.439 Oh, 610 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:50.120 I'll Follow You. 611 00:22:52.922 --> 00:22:53.643 Do you know that one? 612 00:22:54.443 --> 00:22:55.144 Oh my gosh, 613 00:22:55.284 --> 00:22:56.545 it's I'll follow, 614 00:22:57.266 --> 00:22:58.186 I'll follow you. 615 00:22:58.226 --> 00:22:58.347 Oh, 616 00:22:59.387 --> 00:22:59.668 yes, 617 00:22:59.848 --> 00:23:00.048 okay. 618 00:23:01.689 --> 00:23:02.090 I follow, 619 00:23:02.270 --> 00:23:02.410 yeah. 620 00:23:02.470 --> 00:23:03.651 Probably completely off tune. 621 00:23:03.931 --> 00:23:04.772 Yeah, 622 00:23:04.773 --> 00:23:06.133 I think it's a little lower or something. 623 00:23:06.134 --> 00:23:07.134 Because 624 00:23:07.494 --> 00:23:09.316 I'm so bad with names. 625 00:23:09.317 --> 00:23:09.716 I'll add it. 626 00:23:09.916 --> 00:23:10.576 I'll add the link. 627 00:23:11.076 --> 00:23:11.596 Yes. 628 00:23:11.597 --> 00:23:12.397 I know what song it is. 629 00:23:12.417 --> 00:23:14.177 Because usually when I sing, 630 00:23:14.197 --> 00:23:14.537 it's like, 631 00:23:14.637 --> 00:23:14.777 oh, 632 00:23:14.837 --> 00:23:17.198 gosh. 633 00:23:17.199 --> 00:23:17.318 Yeah. 634 00:23:18.718 --> 00:23:19.659 So why that song? 635 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:21.039 I have my own idea, 636 00:23:21.099 --> 00:23:21.579 but I don't know. 637 00:23:21.979 --> 00:23:23.660 Because I followed my husband here, 638 00:23:23.760 --> 00:23:24.700 like a crazy person, 639 00:23:24.740 --> 00:23:26.901 and got in my suitcases and jumped on a plane. 640 00:23:26.921 --> 00:23:27.041 And, 641 00:23:27.042 --> 00:23:27.241 like, 642 00:23:28.061 --> 00:23:30.622 I still have stuff in storage in San Francisco. 643 00:23:31.382 --> 00:23:31.542 Like, 644 00:23:32.722 --> 00:23:33.022 all of my, 645 00:23:33.242 --> 00:23:33.743 like, 646 00:23:34.543 --> 00:23:38.484 my keepsakes and belongings and pictures. 647 00:23:38.664 --> 00:23:38.944 And. 648 00:23:39.700 --> 00:23:40.200 Things that I, 649 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:40.920 you know, 650 00:23:41.060 --> 00:23:42.801 inherited from family members. 651 00:23:42.881 --> 00:23:44.801 And I still have everything there. 652 00:23:44.981 --> 00:23:45.182 And 653 00:23:46.362 --> 00:23:48.722 I left it and I just came here and I'm still here. 654 00:23:49.163 --> 00:23:50.483 And I never have thought, 655 00:23:51.463 --> 00:23:52.463 I think for the last, 656 00:23:52.503 --> 00:23:54.984 at least since I had started my business, 657 00:23:55.144 --> 00:23:56.605 I've never thought I wanted to move back. 658 00:23:58.165 --> 00:23:58.985 Before my business, 659 00:23:59.025 --> 00:24:00.466 I used to say I want to move back. 660 00:24:01.626 --> 00:24:01.866 You know, 661 00:24:01.867 --> 00:24:02.706 I miss my family. 662 00:24:02.726 --> 00:24:03.607 I miss my friends. 663 00:24:03.687 --> 00:24:05.287 But once I, 664 00:24:05.907 --> 00:24:06.667 this is my baby, 665 00:24:07.648 --> 00:24:08.388 my third baby. 666 00:24:09.468 --> 00:24:25.540 um and um I I don't want to leave it so um so I followed my husband here and or came to him I guess but that was our song that was my song to him when I was living far away yeah sense 667 00:24:25.820 --> 00:24:37.168 all right well thank you so much for sharing for sharing around the business and how you started how you go from American clients to German clients yeah different services 668 00:24:37.892 --> 00:24:38.694 And guys, 669 00:24:38.734 --> 00:24:39.815 if you liked the episode, 670 00:24:39.816 --> 00:24:45.885 you can put a rating on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and follow all the updates on YouTube, 671 00:24:46.005 --> 00:24:47.608 Instagram and TikTok.