WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.862 My dog starts destroying a pillow out of nowhere. 2 00:00:03.022 --> 00:00:06.263 Welcome to Unleash Curiosity by Vital Pet Life. 3 00:00:06.303 --> 00:00:06.844 I'm Dr. 4 00:00:07.004 --> 00:00:07.824 Amber Da Silva, 5 00:00:08.345 --> 00:00:11.226 veterinarian and advocate for integrative pet care. 6 00:00:11.286 --> 00:00:12.527 And I'm Donie Yamamoto, 7 00:00:13.027 --> 00:00:15.068 founder and CEO of Vital Pet Life. 8 00:00:15.428 --> 00:00:16.489 We're so glad you're here. 9 00:00:16.649 --> 00:00:18.510 This is a space where curiosity, 10 00:00:18.730 --> 00:00:19.390 compassion, 11 00:00:19.491 --> 00:00:20.671 and science converge, 12 00:00:21.151 --> 00:00:25.654 where we explore the powerful mind-body connection that supports your pet's health and your own. 13 00:00:25.854 --> 00:00:26.454 Each week, 14 00:00:26.794 --> 00:00:29.456 we'll dive deep into the world of pet wellness. 15 00:00:29.696 --> 00:00:30.677 breaking down myths, 16 00:00:30.917 --> 00:00:32.157 exploring ingredients, 17 00:00:32.297 --> 00:00:35.359 and learning from expert voices across the industry. 18 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:39.501 From nutrition and sustainability to transparency and advocacy, 19 00:00:39.982 --> 00:00:42.043 we're here to help you feel more confident, 20 00:00:42.163 --> 00:00:42.703 connected, 21 00:00:42.763 --> 00:00:44.384 and informed in your care choices. 22 00:00:44.624 --> 00:00:47.165 Let's get into it because when we know better, 23 00:00:47.426 --> 00:00:48.026 we do better. 24 00:00:48.366 --> 00:00:50.107 This is Unleashed Curiosity. 25 00:00:50.387 --> 00:00:52.208 Welcome back to Unleashed Curiosity. 26 00:00:52.608 --> 00:00:52.949 Today, 27 00:00:53.069 --> 00:00:57.491 we're talking about something that shows up in almost every pet parent's life at some point. 28 00:00:57.971 --> 00:00:59.392 And most of us misread it. 29 00:00:59.392 --> 00:00:59.972 it completely. 30 00:01:00.192 --> 00:01:00.492 Dr. 31 00:01:00.572 --> 00:01:00.852 Amber, 32 00:01:00.952 --> 00:01:02.353 I want to start with a scenario. 33 00:01:02.673 --> 00:01:05.454 My dog starts destroying a pillow out of nowhere. 34 00:01:05.814 --> 00:01:08.135 My first instinct is he's being bad. 35 00:01:08.275 --> 00:01:10.855 Is that fair or what do you think? 36 00:01:11.135 --> 00:01:11.435 Well, 37 00:01:11.636 --> 00:01:12.396 almost never. 38 00:01:12.556 --> 00:01:18.017 That's one of the most common signs of a bored dog and it's not a discipline problem. 39 00:01:18.177 --> 00:01:19.398 It's an unmet need. 40 00:01:19.578 --> 00:01:19.698 So 41 00:01:20.518 --> 00:01:26.800 I've had clients that come in after their dogs have destroyed an entire couch. 42 00:01:27.060 --> 00:01:27.300 They, 43 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:27.921 you know, 44 00:01:28.081 --> 00:01:29.101 ate the blinds. 45 00:01:29.201 --> 00:01:29.441 They, 46 00:01:29.982 --> 00:01:30.242 you know, 47 00:01:30.362 --> 00:01:31.523 dug up the carpet. 48 00:01:32.123 --> 00:01:35.505 And a lot of times it is like under stimulation. 49 00:01:35.665 --> 00:01:36.325 They're bored. 50 00:01:36.425 --> 00:01:38.326 They're trying to keep their minds busy. 51 00:01:38.847 --> 00:01:44.450 And so they do whatever they can to stimulate their brains. 52 00:01:44.850 --> 00:01:45.050 Okay, 53 00:01:45.110 --> 00:01:46.291 so walk us through it. 54 00:01:46.851 --> 00:01:50.313 What does a bored dog actually look like day to day? 55 00:01:50.994 --> 00:01:52.715 Do they look like this guy's here? 56 00:01:53.555 --> 00:01:53.675 No, 57 00:01:53.995 --> 00:01:54.836 your dogs are... 58 00:01:55.752 --> 00:01:58.394 are very stimulated and happy. 59 00:01:59.434 --> 00:02:02.316 So there's a few patterns that show up again and again, 60 00:02:02.996 --> 00:02:07.699 like chewing things that aren't toys and digging where there's nothing to dig for, 61 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:09.820 barking and nothing in particular, 62 00:02:10.121 --> 00:02:10.881 pacing. 63 00:02:11.241 --> 00:02:16.044 Some dogs get clingy and they can't settle down unless they're right on top of you. 64 00:02:16.384 --> 00:02:20.066 And none of that is really like the dog trying to be difficult. 65 00:02:20.347 --> 00:02:22.608 It's a dog with a brain that's... 66 00:02:22.728 --> 00:02:29.190 built to problem solve and hunt and move and a day that gives them almost none of that. 67 00:02:29.390 --> 00:02:29.570 Well, 68 00:02:29.670 --> 00:02:31.530 that reframe matters. 69 00:02:31.730 --> 00:02:33.191 It's not my dog is a problem. 70 00:02:33.251 --> 00:02:34.811 It's like it's my dog's day. 71 00:02:34.851 --> 00:02:37.792 It doesn't match what my dog's brain actually needs. 72 00:02:38.092 --> 00:02:38.272 Yeah. 73 00:02:39.913 --> 00:02:40.153 Yeah. 74 00:02:40.833 --> 00:02:44.334 And that's true whether you have one dog or five dogs. 75 00:02:44.854 --> 00:02:47.095 It's about the individual animal's day, 76 00:02:47.555 --> 00:02:51.356 not about how attentive the owner is necessarily. 77 00:02:51.696 --> 00:02:51.876 Yeah, 78 00:02:51.877 --> 00:02:52.076 well, 79 00:02:52.296 --> 00:02:53.076 What about cats? 80 00:02:53.396 --> 00:02:53.676 I mean, 81 00:02:53.937 --> 00:02:55.837 I don't know how cats behave. 82 00:02:55.917 --> 00:02:56.097 Like, 83 00:02:56.098 --> 00:03:00.698 I feel like people assume cats are just naturally aloof and that's just, 84 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:01.119 you know, 85 00:03:01.239 --> 00:03:02.339 cats being cats. 86 00:03:02.579 --> 00:03:03.139 Yeah, 87 00:03:03.359 --> 00:03:09.061 I think that assumption unfortunately causes a lot of missed boredom in cats. 88 00:03:09.101 --> 00:03:12.542 So a bored cat often gets more destructive too. 89 00:03:12.702 --> 00:03:14.042 So they knock things over, 90 00:03:14.382 --> 00:03:16.863 they scratch the furniture more aggressively, 91 00:03:17.543 --> 00:03:19.864 they overgrew even to the point of... 92 00:03:19.944 --> 00:03:20.845 bald patches. 93 00:03:21.045 --> 00:03:22.286 Some cats get louder. 94 00:03:22.606 --> 00:03:28.410 Some just go in the opposite direction and sleep more usual and just disengage. 95 00:03:28.610 --> 00:03:29.550 And yeah, 96 00:03:29.710 --> 00:03:34.914 so I guess this is a good place to mention about cats specifically. 97 00:03:35.174 --> 00:03:40.337 So they can have a condition called psychogenic alopecia. 98 00:03:41.738 --> 00:03:43.019 And basically, 99 00:03:43.459 --> 00:03:44.320 it's 100 00:03:44.500 --> 00:03:45.040 boredom, 101 00:03:45.621 --> 00:03:47.262 they need stimulation. 102 00:03:47.422 --> 00:03:49.903 And so they chew on their own hair. 103 00:03:50.083 --> 00:03:52.364 They chew and they pull their hair out. 104 00:03:52.664 --> 00:03:52.785 So, 105 00:03:53.425 --> 00:03:53.725 you know, 106 00:03:54.165 --> 00:03:57.327 if you see your cat like excessively grooming, 107 00:03:57.487 --> 00:04:00.349 for sure there's medical conditions that can cause that, 108 00:04:00.489 --> 00:04:03.090 but it also could be a sign of boredom. 109 00:04:03.310 --> 00:04:03.470 Well, 110 00:04:03.471 --> 00:04:05.331 I'm guessing birds show it too, 111 00:04:05.391 --> 00:04:05.671 right? 112 00:04:06.112 --> 00:04:06.332 Like 113 00:04:06.772 --> 00:04:08.253 I've seen it on videos. 114 00:04:09.073 --> 00:04:09.373 Yeah. 115 00:04:09.754 --> 00:04:10.094 I mean, 116 00:04:10.494 --> 00:04:13.356 birds are actually one of the clearest examples. 117 00:04:13.456 --> 00:04:13.576 So... 118 00:04:14.096 --> 00:04:16.297 You see the feather plucking, 119 00:04:16.397 --> 00:04:20.840 the repetitive pacing on the perch and excessive screaming. 120 00:04:21.401 --> 00:04:22.782 And in a lot of cases, 121 00:04:23.022 --> 00:04:28.645 that's an animal with a highly intelligent brain that just has nothing to do with it. 122 00:04:28.825 --> 00:04:30.246 So across species, 123 00:04:30.286 --> 00:04:31.667 the theme is the same. 124 00:04:31.687 --> 00:04:35.409 The behavior we call bad is often just a bored brain looking for a job. 125 00:04:35.510 --> 00:04:35.970 Yeah, 126 00:04:36.090 --> 00:04:36.370 I mean, 127 00:04:36.410 --> 00:04:37.751 that's the whole reframe. 128 00:04:37.851 --> 00:04:39.392 Boredom isn't a character. 129 00:04:39.652 --> 00:04:43.394 flaw in the pet and it's not a failure by the pet parent. 130 00:04:43.534 --> 00:04:48.856 It's a mismatch between an animal's instincts and the modern indoor lifestyle. 131 00:04:48.936 --> 00:04:50.256 So once you see it that way, 132 00:04:50.376 --> 00:04:51.737 it's actually solvable. 133 00:04:51.937 --> 00:04:53.398 So if this is so common, 134 00:04:53.478 --> 00:04:56.999 why does it feel like it's showing up more than it used to? 135 00:04:57.119 --> 00:04:59.020 I think there are a few reasons. 136 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:08.724 More pets live indoors full time and more households have just one pet instead of a pair that entertains each other. 137 00:05:09.105 --> 00:05:11.172 And then our schedules are busier. 138 00:05:11.392 --> 00:05:15.627 So a walk around the block or a bowl set down twice a day is often. 139 00:05:16.256 --> 00:05:17.657 the whole day's stimulation. 140 00:05:17.977 --> 00:05:20.199 And none of that makes anyone a bad parent. 141 00:05:20.239 --> 00:05:22.541 It's just what our modern life looks like. 142 00:05:22.721 --> 00:05:26.744 And it means that the enrichment has to be something, 143 00:05:27.124 --> 00:05:27.364 you know, 144 00:05:27.424 --> 00:05:33.689 intentional that we build on purpose instead of just assuming that the day provides it. 145 00:05:33.869 --> 00:05:34.009 And, 146 00:05:34.050 --> 00:05:34.290 you know, 147 00:05:34.291 --> 00:05:37.712 we have to remember that just a few generations ago, 148 00:05:38.953 --> 00:05:39.213 you know, 149 00:05:39.674 --> 00:05:41.775 dogs and cats were wild. 150 00:05:43.180 --> 00:05:43.620 working, 151 00:05:43.660 --> 00:05:45.061 they were hunting or they're, 152 00:05:45.322 --> 00:05:45.602 you know, 153 00:05:45.702 --> 00:05:47.543 were like sheepdogs. 154 00:05:47.643 --> 00:05:47.883 And, 155 00:05:48.244 --> 00:05:48.524 you know, 156 00:05:48.804 --> 00:05:50.966 so not very long ago, 157 00:05:51.546 --> 00:05:54.168 they actually had a job rather than, 158 00:05:54.488 --> 00:05:54.769 you know, 159 00:05:55.129 --> 00:05:57.571 being an indoor couch potato pet. 160 00:05:57.771 --> 00:05:59.612 And so that's just, 161 00:05:59.732 --> 00:05:59.992 you know, 162 00:06:00.373 --> 00:06:05.416 it's in their genes to be active and working and problem solving. 163 00:06:05.717 --> 00:06:05.977 Yeah. 164 00:06:06.217 --> 00:06:06.437 Okay. 165 00:06:06.517 --> 00:06:08.078 So what actually works? 166 00:06:08.599 --> 00:06:09.539 Let's start with dogs. 167 00:06:09.559 --> 00:06:09.739 Like, 168 00:06:09.740 --> 00:06:10.380 how can we help? 169 00:06:10.520 --> 00:06:12.141 them more stimulated, 170 00:06:12.181 --> 00:06:12.381 like, 171 00:06:12.382 --> 00:06:12.601 you know, 172 00:06:12.602 --> 00:06:14.683 how they can feel like they're working? 173 00:06:14.923 --> 00:06:15.143 Yeah, 174 00:06:15.704 --> 00:06:16.764 that's a great question. 175 00:06:16.964 --> 00:06:20.647 And it's actually the simplest thing is with food. 176 00:06:20.827 --> 00:06:23.309 And so instead of just eating, 177 00:06:23.409 --> 00:06:25.811 like putting down their bowl and letting them eat from there, 178 00:06:25.991 --> 00:06:27.912 you want them to work for their food. 179 00:06:28.032 --> 00:06:29.173 So there's, 180 00:06:29.493 --> 00:06:29.773 you know, 181 00:06:29.833 --> 00:06:31.855 a lot of things on the market now, 182 00:06:31.915 --> 00:06:35.677 like snuffle mats or frozen food puzzles, 183 00:06:35.877 --> 00:06:39.540 or even like scattering the kibble around and they search. 184 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:40.280 for it. 185 00:06:40.761 --> 00:06:42.342 They have to run around and get it, 186 00:06:43.023 --> 00:06:49.868 maybe dropping some into the grass and they kind of have to move around and use their sense of smell to find, 187 00:06:49.869 --> 00:06:50.108 you know, 188 00:06:50.148 --> 00:06:52.070 so it's like this hide and seek game. 189 00:06:52.210 --> 00:07:01.938 And just doing those things can take like a 15 second mill and turn it into a 15 minute problem solving session, 190 00:07:02.418 --> 00:07:03.279 which is really cool, 191 00:07:03.379 --> 00:07:03.639 you know, 192 00:07:03.640 --> 00:07:09.244 because sometimes like if you just put the bowl down and they snarf it right down. 193 00:07:09.672 --> 00:07:09.912 then, 194 00:07:10.233 --> 00:07:10.493 you know, 195 00:07:10.494 --> 00:07:11.914 it's all over so fast. 196 00:07:12.014 --> 00:07:13.995 And so if we can find a way to make it, 197 00:07:14.496 --> 00:07:15.076 make it fun, 198 00:07:15.156 --> 00:07:15.957 make it a game. 199 00:07:16.237 --> 00:07:18.298 The other thing is scent games. 200 00:07:18.338 --> 00:07:19.559 They're really underrated, 201 00:07:19.659 --> 00:07:29.606 but hiding a few treats around the room and letting them sniff out taps into exactly that part of the brain that was chewing the couch, 202 00:07:30.047 --> 00:07:31.788 trying to satisfy itself. 203 00:07:32.048 --> 00:07:32.228 Yeah. 204 00:07:32.609 --> 00:07:32.849 I mean, 205 00:07:32.869 --> 00:07:35.511 you don't need a big yard or fancy gear for any of that. 206 00:07:35.811 --> 00:07:36.311 But I think, 207 00:07:36.431 --> 00:07:37.132 let me go back 208 00:07:37.272 --> 00:08:05.160 to like the scent like again we need to be careful to what kind of scent we put it's like you know there's a lot of synthetic scents out there perfumes and all this stuff and yeah yeah so i i'm thinking more of like natural treats with different you know there's a lot of like like my dog loves these freeze-dried liver treats and i think they smell absolutely horrible but they're her favorite thing ever you know so like engaging uh 209 00:08:05.300 --> 00:08:05.960 so finding 210 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:25.036 different treats with different smells and kind of hiding them around yeah yeah and and yeah like you don't even have to have something super fancy like a cardboard box with some treats in it gets you most of the way there yeah like tuxedo always in the morning like he always waits for his puzzle so i 211 00:08:25.056 --> 00:08:34.664 try to alternate like what toy or puzzle he has to do today he just cube weights on it yeah that's perfect yeah well what about cats 212 00:08:34.884 --> 00:08:37.946 Since a lot of us assume they're just independent by nature, 213 00:08:38.147 --> 00:08:41.269 like what do they also need like stuff to do? 214 00:08:41.710 --> 00:08:41.970 Yeah, 215 00:08:42.570 --> 00:08:43.091 for sure. 216 00:08:43.831 --> 00:08:44.051 You know, 217 00:08:44.131 --> 00:08:46.553 vertical space is huge for cats. 218 00:08:46.593 --> 00:08:47.354 So cats, 219 00:08:47.594 --> 00:08:48.155 you'll see them, 220 00:08:48.335 --> 00:08:48.575 you know, 221 00:08:48.675 --> 00:08:55.981 perching up in a window or jumping up on the cupboard or whatever because they like to be elevated. 222 00:08:56.361 --> 00:09:01.566 So if you can put a perch in a window or a cat tree or even on top of a bookshelf, 223 00:09:01.846 --> 00:09:03.027 it gives them a job. 224 00:09:03.047 --> 00:09:04.348 It gives them a place to... 225 00:09:04.768 --> 00:09:05.048 you know, 226 00:09:05.288 --> 00:09:11.310 to sit and like survey the situation and patrol like a little police cat. 227 00:09:11.450 --> 00:09:11.830 And then, 228 00:09:11.930 --> 00:09:12.190 you know, 229 00:09:12.290 --> 00:09:14.211 rotating toys that you use. 230 00:09:14.451 --> 00:09:18.572 So a cat may get bored with the same toy really fast. 231 00:09:18.612 --> 00:09:23.993 But if you kind of like put some of them away and swap them out every once in a while, 232 00:09:24.073 --> 00:09:24.753 then it's like, 233 00:09:24.833 --> 00:09:24.973 oh, 234 00:09:25.174 --> 00:09:26.074 there's a new toy. 235 00:09:26.514 --> 00:09:28.114 And so that they don't, 236 00:09:28.274 --> 00:09:30.595 they don't ever get bored with the same things. 237 00:09:30.835 --> 00:09:34.276 And then a few minutes of real interactive. 238 00:09:34.436 --> 00:09:56.665 play like one of the wand toys or a laser pointer you know it lets them complete that hunting sequence like the stalking chase pounce and catching and then that you know that sequence being completed matters more than really the total time that you spend and 239 00:09:56.745 --> 00:09:58.386 you know i mentioned a cardboard box. 240 00:09:58.546 --> 00:10:01.907 I've even recommended this for indoor cats, 241 00:10:01.928 --> 00:10:02.708 not only for the... 242 00:10:03.244 --> 00:10:04.386 mental stimulation, 243 00:10:04.486 --> 00:10:06.950 but for even like burning some calories, 244 00:10:07.010 --> 00:10:07.410 because it's, 245 00:10:07.871 --> 00:10:10.715 it's hard for indoor cats to exercise, 246 00:10:10.735 --> 00:10:11.015 you know, 247 00:10:11.096 --> 00:10:11.296 like. 248 00:10:11.877 --> 00:10:13.858 You can take a dog for a walk, 249 00:10:13.978 --> 00:10:16.900 but taking a cat for a walk is not as easy, 250 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:17.620 you know, 251 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:20.302 but like using some of that for, 252 00:10:20.982 --> 00:10:22.463 for exercise too, 253 00:10:22.663 --> 00:10:22.923 you know, 254 00:10:23.083 --> 00:10:25.644 feeding them on a different level of the house. 255 00:10:25.845 --> 00:10:30.507 So they have to run up a flight of stairs to get to their food or something like that, 256 00:10:30.587 --> 00:10:30.847 you know, 257 00:10:30.987 --> 00:10:31.508 so we're, 258 00:10:32.028 --> 00:10:35.970 we're burning more calories and we're stimulating them mentally. 259 00:10:36.070 --> 00:10:41.193 The other thing that I'm a real big fan of are like Hunter. 260 00:10:41.597 --> 00:10:43.959 They're kind of like these little feeders. 261 00:10:45.220 --> 00:10:45.340 So 262 00:10:46.141 --> 00:10:49.223 I'm a fan of this brand called Doc and Phoebe's. 263 00:10:49.343 --> 00:10:52.286 And they're little mouse-shaped feeders. 264 00:10:52.886 --> 00:10:56.489 So you can put the kibble inside and there's little holes. 265 00:10:56.950 --> 00:10:58.031 And then you can hide them. 266 00:10:58.171 --> 00:11:03.115 And so the cat has to find the mouse that has the food. 267 00:11:03.116 --> 00:11:05.577 And they have to bat it around to get their food out. 268 00:11:06.117 --> 00:11:10.999 I actually recommended this to my mom's cat and she goes nuts over it. 269 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:12.020 She loves it so much. 270 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:12.240 So, 271 00:11:12.540 --> 00:11:12.840 you know, 272 00:11:13.040 --> 00:11:13.921 then they're like, 273 00:11:14.241 --> 00:11:18.483 they're hunting and they're exercising and they're playing with while they're eating. 274 00:11:18.823 --> 00:11:22.504 So that's a big shout out to Doc and Phoebe's feeders. 275 00:11:22.684 --> 00:11:23.425 That's cool. 276 00:11:23.725 --> 00:11:23.885 Well, 277 00:11:23.886 --> 00:11:27.927 what's the one thing you wish every pet parent knew walking away from this episode? 278 00:11:28.167 --> 00:11:28.427 I mean, 279 00:11:28.467 --> 00:11:28.887 I think, 280 00:11:29.267 --> 00:11:29.527 you know, 281 00:11:29.547 --> 00:11:32.729 we don't we don't want to feel guilty about how. 282 00:11:33.149 --> 00:11:34.510 we have to live our lives, 283 00:11:34.550 --> 00:11:36.871 how we have to work and go to school or whatever. 284 00:11:37.231 --> 00:11:38.171 And so it's, 285 00:11:38.831 --> 00:11:41.632 it's rarely like a time issue. 286 00:11:42.193 --> 00:11:43.773 It's just more variety. 287 00:11:44.173 --> 00:11:44.494 You know, 288 00:11:44.754 --> 00:11:49.776 it's focused minutes of the right kind of engagement does more, 289 00:11:49.976 --> 00:11:50.216 you know, 290 00:11:50.217 --> 00:11:52.777 if you do 10 minutes of focused play, 291 00:11:53.377 --> 00:11:59.220 it does more than an hour of the same walk or the same toy sitting in the same spot. 292 00:11:59.340 --> 00:11:59.460 So, 293 00:11:59.780 --> 00:12:00.060 you know, 294 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:00.420 any, 295 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:02.501 any little time you have just 296 00:12:03.209 --> 00:12:11.974 Hopefully you can take some of the things that we've talked about and incorporate that into your routine and really enrich the environment of your pet. 297 00:12:12.194 --> 00:12:17.337 And a cat or dog that's mobile and comfortable, 298 00:12:17.637 --> 00:12:23.100 it's a lot easier to engage with and play with enrichment, 299 00:12:23.540 --> 00:12:29.203 which is why part of joint and mobility support matters at every life stage, 300 00:12:29.303 --> 00:12:30.384 not just for seniors. 301 00:12:30.604 --> 00:12:30.844 You know, 302 00:12:30.845 --> 00:12:32.145 and just like I've mentioned. 303 00:12:32.425 --> 00:12:32.665 you know, 304 00:12:32.905 --> 00:12:36.327 like exercising for cats and things like that. 305 00:12:36.487 --> 00:12:41.669 So it really does kind of play into their overall health as well. 306 00:12:41.909 --> 00:12:42.329 Yeah. 307 00:12:42.750 --> 00:12:49.072 So if your dog's been extra chewy lately or your cat's snuck one too many things off the counter, 308 00:12:49.412 --> 00:12:51.493 it might not be a behavior problem at all. 309 00:12:51.613 --> 00:12:54.895 It might just be a bored brain asking for a job. 310 00:12:56.075 --> 00:12:56.556 So Dr. 311 00:12:56.616 --> 00:12:56.876 Amber, 312 00:12:56.936 --> 00:12:59.837 thank you again for giving a light. 313 00:12:59.957 --> 00:13:03.582 to this behavioral issues that we encounter with our animals. 314 00:13:03.842 --> 00:13:04.102 Yeah, 315 00:13:04.263 --> 00:13:04.864 my pleasure. 316 00:13:04.944 --> 00:13:05.224 Thanks, 317 00:13:05.264 --> 00:13:05.584 Donnie. 318 00:13:05.885 --> 00:13:06.085 Yeah. 319 00:13:06.586 --> 00:13:09.369 So that's it for the episode of Unleashed Curiosity. 320 00:13:09.890 --> 00:13:11.733 If this one hits home, 321 00:13:11.893 --> 00:13:14.336 share it with a fellow pet parent who might need it. 322 00:13:14.897 --> 00:13:15.618 Subscribe, 323 00:13:15.978 --> 00:13:16.659 leave a review, 324 00:13:16.739 --> 00:13:17.981 and we'll see you next time.