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crazy is spending your entire life doing something you hate because you thought you were worried about failing the other thing.

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And then like,

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you're just like going to live in that forever.

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And you don't have to.

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The balance,

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I think that maybe we're all seeking,

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whether we realize it or not,

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the balance is in,

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in always having a purpose and belonging and being needed.

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I think we need to feel like we're needed.

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And that's what I lacked until I went to the Darfur and eventually.

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the military that's a big one for me it's just like i don't want to live i don't want to live with regrets or even worse i don't want to die with you know i've got a few we've all got a few things you yeah you zigged when you wished you would have zagged or whatever but i don't have a i don't yet have a regret for not trying something that i really raw

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uncut and unapologetic welcome to men talking mindfulness

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All right,

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welcome back everybody.

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Our guest today has worn so many hats that he ran out of closet space to fit them all.

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Hey,

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Nate Boyer.

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Nate Boyer is going to join us today.

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His story is all about embracing change.

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From philanthropy in Darfur,

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serving as a green beret in combat,

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to jumping into college football with literally zero experience.

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Not even a single down of any organized football in his entire life.

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Then making it to the NFL.

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starring in reality TV shows,

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acting in,

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producing,

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and directing movies,

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and now becoming a strong voice for military veterans and social causes.

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There isn't a better man on the planet we could talk to about taking and having the courage to take a change or make a change.

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Nate,

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Nate,

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super excited to have you here,

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brother.

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How are you?

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I'm good,

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John.

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Good to be here,

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brother.

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Thanks.

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Thanks for having me.

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Yeah,

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man.

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Thanks.

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Thanks for having me.

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Yeah,

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we're excited.

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Yeah,

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welcome to the show,

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Will.

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Hey,

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brother.

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Also good to see you,

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man.

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I'll talk it over to you.

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Good to be here with you guys.

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We love talking about change because change is so difficult for a lot of people.

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So thanks for helping us today understand the road to change.

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And yeah,

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All right,

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we got this one-breath grounding practice.

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Nate,

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just to focus us up.

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So maybe close the eyes or just feel yourself grounding.

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Start with a nice little exhale out your mouth.

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Really hit bottom,

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hit empty,

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and then take one big inhale through your nose and let it go out your mouth easy.

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Well,

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hey,

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Nate,

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it's focused on you,

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my brother.

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Great to have you here.

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We're going to dive right in.

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And I was really loved your story as I was studying you to get on the show about your

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Darfur in 2004.

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I think it was age 22.

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You just kind of stepped up and made your way to Darfur and Sudan to help the genocide and refugee crisis that was going on there.

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so what woke up inside of you that?

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made you want to go out and do this?

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I think it was,

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I know it was a time in my life where,

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like early twenties are,

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I think a big pivoting point for a lot of people,

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no matter where they are in their path,

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it's just oftentimes people are graduating college at that time,

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and kind of moving on to that next phase.

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And I didn't go to college out of high school.

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but a lot of my friends that I grew up with were.

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they were graduating,

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they were kind of starting their lives and,

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you start to think about what you're doing with yours or the lack of what you're doing with yours.

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I certainly felt not necessarily purposeful,

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but also like I didn't,

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I wasn't really doing what I was meant to do,

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but also I wasn't really doing anything that seemed too beneficial to society.

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The one kind of redeeming thing that I think I was doing was

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I was working with kids with autism at the time.

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actually all young boys who,

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various range on the spectrum,

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some of them completely nonverbal,

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some of them really high functioning,

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but still like tough to,

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tough for a lot of them to connect,

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with others and their peer groups.

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take them out to kind of do big brother type stuff.

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kind of try to help them make friends and do things like that.

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but I just didn't think that that was what I was sort of meant to do for the long haul.

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everything else just felt kind of like I wasn't really pursuing anything that I really wanted.

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I didn't know what I wanted.

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I didn't know what I was into.

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I was interested in storytelling,

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filmmaking stuff,

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which I.

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come back to a lot later but didn't know where to start and didn't know how to work yet didn't know how to sacrifice all the things that we ended up learning in the military and one day i just remember i woke up on my buddy's couch i was hung over uh like most 22 year olds right yeah exactly just that's what we do and

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uh he had a mag get a time magazine sitting on the coffee table there and i woke up all blurry and i start flipping through it well first of all the cover had um

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it was this woman in the Darfur,

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holding her child.

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but like they were both very malnourished and it was just like a sad scene.

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So I started flipping through the magazine.

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I read the article about the tragedy in Sudan.

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That was actually the title.

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humanitarian crisis and how they were understaffed out there and needed people.

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I started calling every NGO.

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I felt this like surge of,

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you're meant to go there for whatever reason.

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you don't have a college degree.

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You don't have any special skills.

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what are you going to do?

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I've done construction.

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I've done all kinds of,

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I worked on a fishing boat.

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somewhat.

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and I feel like I could be useful and I'm.

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I'm young and I'm good health.

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obviously I'll fly myself over there and I just want to,

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I don't want any,

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I'm not asking for anything except an opportunity to volunteer really.

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bureaucracy and whatnot,

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it just wasn't that simple.

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that's,

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there's gotta be a way.

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you know what this can't be the answer like if they're there's need they need people like i'm just going to show up there and once i'm there they've got to utilize me so i i got my visa i went to the triple a and i bought a plane ticket and just you know to to chad the neighboring country where um

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chad's just west of sudan and the darfur is on the western border so it's that's where the a lot of the refugee camps were being set up just across the chadian border where it was out of the war zone.

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fly to Chad and I'll just figure it out.

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And that's what I did.

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I flew there.

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I got to the Capitol.

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I kind of talked my way onto a UN flight,

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got out to the camps,

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got interrogated,

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all that stuff.

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who are you?

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What are you doing here?

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I had a 60 day visa that I had obtained.

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that's exactly what happened.

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they let me,

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they put me to work.

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he's here and we've got 60 days.

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So it was great.

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you know,

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obviously a very humbling experience.

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Very like,

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I was just overwhelmed with the gratitude that those people expressed for somebody that didn't have a ton to offer except their time.

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But their whole thing was like,

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I can't believe you.

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Why would you leave America?

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What are you doing?

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You know what I mean?

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To come here.

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And it's just like,

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I don't know.

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I think a lot of people,

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like what I discovered,

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this feeling that I had was like this.

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I'm very fortunate to be born and raised here,

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but now I feel a responsibility to do something with that.

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You know,

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I guess that can be called a sense of duty.

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And so eventually it was that time that really led me to,

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to join the military.

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I actually got malaria the last week I was there and this family put me up and like took care of me,

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didn't take a dollar.

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And they put a radio next to the cot in the room that they'd sort of quarantined me in.

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And the second battle of Helusia was going on and I'm listening to it.

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on BBC news and it was just like all right

282
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I'm coming back to the states and or when I get back to the states I'm this is what I'm gonna do next so it was like I got I sort of like gained my patriotism over there which was kind of bizarre you know because this is post 9-11 and not that I was anti-America but I just didn't

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get it until I went somewhere like that and saw it firsthand and kind of met the people and you know that there's a lot of narratives out there

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that people in those places,

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the part of the world,

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they just hate Americans,

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you know,

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or they're just,

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I don't know what it is.

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And yeah,

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maybe some do.

292
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Sure.

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Some do of course.

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But like,

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Not,

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not largely.

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So anyway,

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it's sort of a long story there,

299
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but it was a pivotal point for me.

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Definitely.

301
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I'm glad you're sure.

302
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Yeah.

303
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Well,

304
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I'm glad that guy had that magazine on the coffee table,

305
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man.

306
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Cause it sounds like it,

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like you said,

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it was the,

309
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the,

310
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yeah.

311
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Right.

312
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The foundation.

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I bet you are,

314
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man.

315
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Yeah.

316
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It seems like it laid the foundation for so many other things.

317
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Right.

318
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So you've gone from volunteering in Sudan.

319
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to being that Green Beret.

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So you came back,

321
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you developed this patriotism,

322
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which I think a lot of Americans,

323
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we take America for granted until you go out and you see other countries.

324
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We talked about travel last week on our show and how important that is to see what the rest of the world is,

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what the world offers,

326
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or maybe even doesn't have to offer in some places.

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But that helped you to develop that kind of love for America,

328
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that patriotism.

329
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So you come back,

330
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go into being a Green Beret from the Green Berets,

331
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you go to

332
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playing football as a longhorn.

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Then you go and you do some time with the NFL.

334
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Then you go again,

335
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like I covered in the beginning to actor,

336
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filmmaker,

337
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and now you're doing the merging veterans and players,

338
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the nonprofit.

339
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So we're here to talk about reinventing yourself.

340
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And I would say that's not just reinvention.

341
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It's kind of reinvention on,

342
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on repeat,

343
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right?

344
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On replay over and over and over.

345
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So,

346
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you know,

347
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what,

348
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what belief system

349
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gives you the courage to to keep stepping into these new arenas if you will i'm just a big proponent or advocate or whatever you want to call it for the whole not just that life is short right um

350
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and that we should take advantage of opportunities and enjoy it and all that but just like it it is short and and probably our ability to do a lot of things

351
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is even shorter,

352
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you know,

353
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as we age,

354
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which the three of us are doing,

355
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you know,

356
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there's,

357
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and everybody else,

358
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there's also,

359
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yeah,

360
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exactly.

361
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There's also increased,

362
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you know,

363
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there's increased wisdom of course.

364
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And like learning how to sift through the bullshit and not get focused on the wrong things or distracted by the wrong things.

365
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But at the same time,

366
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like,

367
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you know,

368
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I mean,

369
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I don't know if I would have done that today.

370
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Like,

371
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you

372
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And I don't even,

373
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I'm still single.

374
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I've still never been married,

375
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no kids,

376
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but I still don't,

377
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I don't know.

378
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Like at that time in my life though,

379
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I'm glad I did that because a lot of people will look back later.

380
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And with that regret,

381
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I'm like,

382
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man,

383
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I wish I would have,

384
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I felt inspired to do something,

385
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whatever that thing was.

386
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And I just didn't even try it.

387
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You know,

388
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I wish I would have and sort of regret that.

389
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So that's a big one for me.

390
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It's just like,

391
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I don't want to live.

392
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I don't want to live with regrets or even worse.

393
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I don't want to die with regrets.

394
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You know,

395
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I've,

396
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I've got a few,

397
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we've all got a few.

398
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things you zigged when you wished you would have zagged or whatever.

399
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But

400
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I don't have a,

401
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I don't yet have a regret for not trying something that I really wanted to try.

402
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Maybe it took me a little longer than I wanted to,

403
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but that's a,

404
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that's a big one.

405
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So I'm not sure where that comes from.

406
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I mean,

407
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both my parents are very hardworking,

408
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you know,

409
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they were,

410
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they both,

411
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you know,

412
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when my mom got her PhD in environmental science at Cal Berkeley,

413
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which is a great University.

414
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Um,

415
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I think,

416
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I think we think the first or one of the first women in her PhD program.

417
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Um,

418
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and then my dad was a racehorse veterinarian for like 40 years and,

419
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you know,

420
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both just really hardworking people.

421
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So that definitely laid the foundation for at least an example of what work ethic is,

422
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even though I didn't really know how to apply that until,

423
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you know,

424
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time in the military.

425
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It definitely.

426
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I think leadership and examples like that certainly open the door there.

427
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But as far as the reinvention piece and just want to try new things,

428
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it just comes from this,

429
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I guess this FOMO,

430
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you know what I mean?

431
00:14:01.430 --> 00:14:02.810
For any young people listening,

432
00:14:03.370 --> 00:14:03.830
but like,

433
00:14:03.990 --> 00:14:04.190
yeah,

434
00:14:04.191 --> 00:14:05.930
the fear of missing out on life,

435
00:14:06.050 --> 00:14:06.350
you know,

436
00:14:06.430 --> 00:14:06.870
and like,

437
00:14:06.950 --> 00:14:10.550
and it doesn't always have to be these just epic vacation trips,

438
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you know,

439
00:14:10.870 --> 00:14:12.370
nothing wrong with doing that also,

440
00:14:13.070 --> 00:14:14.750
but sometimes it's just like,

441
00:14:14.770 --> 00:14:15.170
what am I?

442
00:14:15.662 --> 00:14:17.524
What am I doing with my life right now?

443
00:14:18.164 --> 00:14:19.825
And do I,

444
00:14:20.005 --> 00:14:21.547
even though I've done this thing for five years,

445
00:14:21.567 --> 00:14:22.147
whatever it is,

446
00:14:22.148 --> 00:14:23.688
do I need to keep doing that forever?

447
00:14:23.748 --> 00:14:26.911
Is it okay to just completely shift and do something else?

448
00:14:26.912 --> 00:14:27.251
I mean,

449
00:14:27.511 --> 00:14:28.512
I think it is if you're,

450
00:14:29.553 --> 00:14:31.494
if it still feeds your soul and,

451
00:14:31.735 --> 00:14:31.995
you know,

452
00:14:32.075 --> 00:14:36.819
you're able to not put yourself in too many predicaments or hardships,

453
00:14:36.939 --> 00:14:37.759
you or your family.

454
00:14:37.819 --> 00:14:40.361
So it sounds like you have a good connection to your heart,

455
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you know,

456
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I mean,

457
00:14:41.302 --> 00:14:42.643
like doing the work in Darfur,

458
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like,

459
00:14:43.784 --> 00:14:44.024
you know,

460
00:14:44.084 --> 00:14:44.364
and then.

461
00:14:44.794 --> 00:14:45.274
you know,

462
00:14:45.294 --> 00:14:46.075
serving our country.

463
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It's like,

464
00:14:46.595 --> 00:14:48.157
is that where maybe that,

465
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uh,

466
00:14:48.757 --> 00:14:50.298
that communication with your heart comes in?

467
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You know what I mean?

468
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Like,

469
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and that's where courage is too.

470
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I mean,

471
00:14:52.500 --> 00:14:53.161
it's in the heart.

472
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I mean,

473
00:14:53.462 --> 00:14:53.881
it's just,

474
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it's,

475
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uh,

476
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I mean,

477
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what's your what's your relationship to your heart,

478
00:14:57.401 --> 00:14:57.781
if you will?

479
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Because a lot of men that we you know,

480
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we that may be listening to the show like they just don't have that connection or they don't have those feelings.

481
00:15:04.601 --> 00:15:04.761
Like,

482
00:15:04.781 --> 00:15:05.001
you know,

483
00:15:05.021 --> 00:15:06.521
boys don't cry kind of attitude,

484
00:15:06.901 --> 00:15:07.141
you know,

485
00:15:07.142 --> 00:15:08.981
which is way too pervasive for a lot of men.

486
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But like it's interesting,

487
00:15:10.681 --> 00:15:11.441
like the three of us,

488
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like we know what it's like to live a life of passion and courage and going out and taking risks and doing hard shit.

489
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You know,

490
00:15:18.161 --> 00:15:19.381
like what's that like for you?

491
00:15:19.541 --> 00:15:22.361
Like how do you tap into that sometimes?

492
00:15:22.401 --> 00:15:23.141
do you you know

493
00:15:23.893 --> 00:15:24.493
I don't know.

494
00:15:24.613 --> 00:15:25.493
I'm just curious.

495
00:15:25.553 --> 00:15:25.693
Yeah.

496
00:15:26.053 --> 00:15:26.173
No,

497
00:15:26.293 --> 00:15:27.073
I definitely do.

498
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And I feel like,

499
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I feel like you're supposed to,

500
00:15:30.474 --> 00:15:30.673
you know,

501
00:15:30.733 --> 00:15:32.653
you're supposed to feel all these emotions.

502
00:15:33.393 --> 00:15:34.573
And I definitely fought,

503
00:15:34.953 --> 00:15:36.233
fought those for a very long time.

504
00:15:36.234 --> 00:15:36.573
Like I didn't,

505
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I don't think I became someone who was,

506
00:15:40.393 --> 00:15:46.513
who listened to those or was for lack of a better term sensitive to those until I was much older,

507
00:15:46.573 --> 00:15:47.053
until I was,

508
00:15:47.173 --> 00:15:47.433
you know,

509
00:15:47.553 --> 00:15:50.033
probably at least into my thirties,

510
00:15:50.053 --> 00:15:51.033
if not mid thirties.

511
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And I'd experienced a lot of things,

512
00:15:55.563 --> 00:15:56.383
great things,

513
00:15:56.483 --> 00:16:07.512
really cool accomplishments and achievements and perseverance and also loss and rejection and all the other things that don't feel great.

514
00:16:07.532 --> 00:16:08.073
You know what I mean?

515
00:16:09.173 --> 00:16:10.274
But when you take big swings,

516
00:16:10.294 --> 00:16:10.514
I mean,

517
00:16:10.554 --> 00:16:11.515
you're going to strike out a lot.

518
00:16:11.615 --> 00:16:12.256
That's just the way it is.

519
00:16:12.257 --> 00:16:13.617
You'll hit the top move.

520
00:16:13.657 --> 00:16:13.897
Very true.

521
00:16:13.898 --> 00:16:16.919
You'll strike out a lot.

522
00:16:16.920 --> 00:16:17.040
Yeah.

523
00:16:17.060 --> 00:16:17.780
That's just the way that is.

524
00:16:17.781 --> 00:16:18.621
Unless you're Barry Bonds.

525
00:16:18.641 --> 00:16:19.882
Somehow that guy never struck out.

526
00:16:19.902 --> 00:16:20.242
Yeah,

527
00:16:20.243 --> 00:16:20.722
I hate that,

528
00:16:20.762 --> 00:16:20.963
right?

529
00:16:22.334 --> 00:16:22.474
Well,

530
00:16:22.914 --> 00:16:24.596
you mentioned about hard work,

531
00:16:24.756 --> 00:16:25.076
you know,

532
00:16:25.316 --> 00:16:25.576
and

533
00:16:26.017 --> 00:16:30.720
I love your story about like you and University of Texas football team.

534
00:16:31.341 --> 00:16:31.481
And,

535
00:16:31.501 --> 00:16:31.721
you know,

536
00:16:31.722 --> 00:16:36.325
you mentioned and another guy I really love that you actually spoke to is Colin Cowherd on the herd.

537
00:16:36.825 --> 00:16:39.107
And you mentioned like he was having this conversation.

538
00:16:39.108 --> 00:16:41.229
I know he's such a fucking great broadcaster.

539
00:16:41.289 --> 00:16:41.869
He's so good.

540
00:16:42.870 --> 00:16:42.990
But,

541
00:16:43.170 --> 00:16:43.410
you know,

542
00:16:43.411 --> 00:16:45.492
he was talking to you about the Colin Kaepernick.

543
00:16:45.532 --> 00:16:46.192
That's another story,

544
00:16:46.232 --> 00:16:46.853
another time.

545
00:16:47.333 --> 00:16:49.695
But then he got into you and...

546
00:16:50.081 --> 00:16:53.284
stepping up and having never played a down of football before,

547
00:16:53.444 --> 00:16:53.704
you know,

548
00:16:54.485 --> 00:16:56.006
showing up and getting on the team.

549
00:16:56.586 --> 00:16:59.809
And you mentioned in that interview about being like hard,

550
00:16:59.969 --> 00:17:01.210
hardworking or working hard,

551
00:17:01.270 --> 00:17:02.291
maybe everyone else,

552
00:17:02.311 --> 00:17:02.851
maybe you said,

553
00:17:03.111 --> 00:17:04.612
but also being mission focused.

554
00:17:04.913 --> 00:17:05.133
You know,

555
00:17:05.134 --> 00:17:06.994
so how is these two things like really,

556
00:17:07.675 --> 00:17:07.895
you know,

557
00:17:07.915 --> 00:17:11.478
help you to create the change and also overcome obstacles?

558
00:17:11.918 --> 00:17:12.038
Yeah,

559
00:17:12.058 --> 00:17:12.278
I mean,

560
00:17:12.298 --> 00:17:12.999
I think we all,

561
00:17:14.660 --> 00:17:16.562
everybody needs a mission or

562
00:17:17.049 --> 00:17:17.830
a task.

563
00:17:17.870 --> 00:17:18.170
I mean,

564
00:17:18.290 --> 00:17:18.550
I don't,

565
00:17:18.590 --> 00:17:23.995
I don't know if there's an animal out there that doesn't need a job at some level.

566
00:17:24.135 --> 00:17:24.295
Like,

567
00:17:24.575 --> 00:17:25.796
I think that's true.

568
00:17:25.816 --> 00:17:25.976
I mean,

569
00:17:25.996 --> 00:17:29.038
I've heard the argument because my dad works in or worked,

570
00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:29.839
he doesn't do it anymore,

571
00:17:29.879 --> 00:17:31.841
but did for many years in the horse racing business.

572
00:17:31.842 --> 00:17:32.421
And a lot of people are like,

573
00:17:32.481 --> 00:17:32.621
Oh,

574
00:17:32.622 --> 00:17:32.962
is that,

575
00:17:33.642 --> 00:17:33.942
you know,

576
00:17:34.763 --> 00:17:35.063
isn't there,

577
00:17:35.223 --> 00:17:36.965
aren't they pretty cruel to the horses?

578
00:17:36.966 --> 00:17:37.325
And I'm like,

579
00:17:37.326 --> 00:17:37.465
well,

580
00:17:37.466 --> 00:17:38.226
there are people that are,

581
00:17:38.406 --> 00:17:38.646
yes,

582
00:17:38.746 --> 00:17:41.328
there's people in every industry that do it the wrong way.

583
00:17:41.329 --> 00:17:42.149
And there's certainly no,

584
00:17:44.010 --> 00:17:44.250
you know,

585
00:17:44.390 --> 00:17:44.571
there's,

586
00:17:44.651 --> 00:17:44.891
there's,

587
00:17:45.191 --> 00:17:46.192
there's no excuse for it,

588
00:17:46.252 --> 00:17:46.832
especially when you're...

589
00:17:47.033 --> 00:17:48.234
dealing with animals and stuff like that.

590
00:17:48.274 --> 00:17:50.055
But if you've ever been around horses,

591
00:17:50.095 --> 00:17:51.917
spent time with horses or dogs or whatever,

592
00:17:51.918 --> 00:17:52.077
these,

593
00:17:52.197 --> 00:17:52.377
these,

594
00:17:52.517 --> 00:17:54.059
these animals that are very close to us,

595
00:17:54.859 --> 00:17:56.380
like they love a job.

596
00:17:56.561 --> 00:17:57.381
They love a task.

597
00:17:57.441 --> 00:17:58.662
They love a mission.

598
00:17:58.802 --> 00:17:59.443
You know what I mean?

599
00:17:59.463 --> 00:18:00.303
They want to hunt.

600
00:18:00.484 --> 00:18:01.144
They want to,

601
00:18:01.145 --> 00:18:02.265
um,

602
00:18:03.286 --> 00:18:03.586
you know,

603
00:18:04.527 --> 00:18:05.828
be busy and they want to,

604
00:18:06.148 --> 00:18:06.869
they want to work.

605
00:18:06.949 --> 00:18:07.729
They like to play.

606
00:18:07.809 --> 00:18:08.670
They like to race.

607
00:18:08.750 --> 00:18:09.571
They do these things.

608
00:18:09.771 --> 00:18:11.872
And I think that we're no different,

609
00:18:11.933 --> 00:18:12.193
you know,

610
00:18:12.233 --> 00:18:14.134
we really need that.

611
00:18:14.234 --> 00:18:15.856
And of course we seek.

612
00:18:17.029 --> 00:18:18.530
and strive towards more comforts,

613
00:18:18.711 --> 00:18:19.271
not just for us,

614
00:18:19.291 --> 00:18:21.012
but for our families and our communities.

615
00:18:21.032 --> 00:18:25.096
Like we want things to be safe and peaceful and secure also.

616
00:18:25.756 --> 00:18:26.757
But at the same time,

617
00:18:27.217 --> 00:18:35.564
I think we often feel most happy and alive when we are in the process of pursuing that,

618
00:18:35.644 --> 00:18:36.204
you know what I mean?

619
00:18:36.205 --> 00:18:37.485
When we're working towards that.

620
00:18:37.725 --> 00:18:38.706
And then once we get there,

621
00:18:39.087 --> 00:18:39.347
it's like,

622
00:18:39.348 --> 00:18:41.548
we're immediately searching for the next problem to solve,

623
00:18:41.949 --> 00:18:42.229
you know?

624
00:18:43.370 --> 00:18:44.551
It's similar to being in a...

625
00:18:45.181 --> 00:18:54.221
to be in a combat scenario you know what i mean like yeah you're what's the rush yeah yeah it's a rush and it's also like i'm all right i'm thinking about my you know

626
00:18:54.761 --> 00:19:10.621
12 man teams and you know the seal teams as well it's like the 11 other guys are the priority that we're with um beyond the of course the mission always comes first but it's like this is what i'm thinking about when you know the shit hits the fan it's like these 11 other people and it's like what's the biggest threat okay

627
00:19:10.641 --> 00:19:12.581
let's you know let's get that

628
00:19:12.829 --> 00:19:29.282
under control okay now what's next and then once everything seems good it's like on to the next mission like let's find another thing you know to to fix another problem to solve and and that it's no different with everything else in life so i just think that i

629
00:19:29.283 --> 00:19:42.012
just think it's essential to i don't want to say happiness because i don't know if you know just the idea of happiness exists like i think there's moments of joy and sadness and all that's the life the human experience but but you know.

630
00:19:42.513 --> 00:19:57.665
the balance i think that maybe we're all seeking whether we realize it or not the balance is in um and always having a purpose and belonging and being being needed you know i think we need to feel like we're needed anyway and that's what i lack

631
00:19:58.382 --> 00:20:01.344
until I went to the Darfur and eventually the military.

632
00:20:01.605 --> 00:20:03.786
I didn't feel necessary.

633
00:20:03.787 --> 00:20:04.967
I felt like if I wasn't here,

634
00:20:05.468 --> 00:20:06.188
I wasn't around,

635
00:20:06.208 --> 00:20:06.689
like sure.

636
00:20:06.749 --> 00:20:09.631
My family would miss me and some friends and stuff like that,

637
00:20:09.691 --> 00:20:13.414
but the world would keep spinning totally fine without me.

638
00:20:13.714 --> 00:20:17.157
And not that I want the world to fall apart when I'm gone,

639
00:20:17.217 --> 00:20:18.718
but like no one wants to feel,

640
00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:20.099
you know what I mean?

641
00:20:20.100 --> 00:20:22.141
No one wants to feel like an impact.

642
00:20:22.886 --> 00:20:23.086
Sure,

643
00:20:23.186 --> 00:20:23.346
man.

644
00:20:23.807 --> 00:20:24.788
We want to have a purpose.

645
00:20:24.789 --> 00:20:26.269
We want to make a difference.

646
00:20:27.149 --> 00:20:28.150
I think it was Steve Jobs.

647
00:20:28.151 --> 00:20:29.992
He says he wants to make a dent in the universe.

648
00:20:30.992 --> 00:20:32.273
And I've been there too.

649
00:20:32.454 --> 00:20:33.654
I'll be honest.

650
00:20:33.675 --> 00:20:39.979
That's one of the reasons I joined the SEAL teams was to have a purpose and to make an impact just like you did.

651
00:20:39.999 --> 00:20:41.881
And then coming back to the dogs and the horses,

652
00:20:42.461 --> 00:20:44.623
I have a Belgian Malinois German Shepherd mix.

653
00:20:45.183 --> 00:20:45.484
And man,

654
00:20:45.584 --> 00:20:46.785
every morning she wakes up,

655
00:20:46.885 --> 00:20:48.246
she is on a mission,

656
00:20:48.346 --> 00:20:50.448
ready to play and ready to do something.

657
00:20:50.468 --> 00:20:51.709
And I have to work or she'll...

658
00:20:51.870 --> 00:20:53.952
chew up my couch or my bed or something else.

659
00:20:53.953 --> 00:20:54.272
And that's,

660
00:20:54.432 --> 00:20:55.353
that's actually happened,

661
00:20:55.373 --> 00:20:55.933
both of those.

662
00:20:57.294 --> 00:20:57.534
And then

663
00:20:58.335 --> 00:20:58.795
I've got,

664
00:20:59.256 --> 00:20:59.636
we used to,

665
00:21:00.397 --> 00:21:00.557
my,

666
00:21:00.797 --> 00:21:01.778
my ex-wife and I,

667
00:21:01.838 --> 00:21:04.180
we used to buy horses off the track that,

668
00:21:04.280 --> 00:21:04.520
you know,

669
00:21:04.600 --> 00:21:08.223
that maybe they weren't performing as well and they would still need a mission.

670
00:21:08.243 --> 00:21:08.683
And we would,

671
00:21:09.524 --> 00:21:09.984
or not we,

672
00:21:10.244 --> 00:21:13.147
she would teach them how to be hunter jumper horses.

673
00:21:13.187 --> 00:21:18.051
And you could see a difference in how they came alive when they had a new mission.

674
00:21:18.131 --> 00:21:20.953
But that kind of leads into my next question.

675
00:21:21.073 --> 00:21:21.193
So

676
00:21:21.830 --> 00:21:22.070
you know,

677
00:21:22.351 --> 00:21:25.233
when we're in the military or maybe as an athlete,

678
00:21:25.333 --> 00:21:26.474
you have these identities,

679
00:21:26.514 --> 00:21:26.774
right?

680
00:21:26.854 --> 00:21:27.094
You know,

681
00:21:27.475 --> 00:21:28.155
and many people,

682
00:21:28.816 --> 00:21:32.158
you hear of people when they transition out of the military or you hear,

683
00:21:32.639 --> 00:21:33.920
I know you're with MVP.

684
00:21:34.260 --> 00:21:40.084
I'm sure you get the same with the athletes who had their identity when they transitioned from being this athlete.

685
00:21:40.925 --> 00:21:48.591
They feel like a failure or they feel like this transition is the end of their story when

686
00:21:48.862 --> 00:21:52.402
when we know now that it's really just the end of a chapter in their lives.

687
00:21:53.962 --> 00:21:54.362
For you,

688
00:21:54.762 --> 00:21:56.242
how have you navigated the,

689
00:21:57.842 --> 00:21:58.742
for lack of a better term,

690
00:21:58.762 --> 00:22:04.002
the grief or maybe the ego loss that comes with letting go of who you used to be?

691
00:22:04.442 --> 00:22:04.682
Yeah,

692
00:22:04.882 --> 00:22:05.182
I mean,

693
00:22:06.962 --> 00:22:07.762
that's a tough one.

694
00:22:07.802 --> 00:22:09.682
I think we put a lot of stock,

695
00:22:09.782 --> 00:22:10.862
veterans and athletes,

696
00:22:10.863 --> 00:22:13.162
and probably many other people in other sectors,

697
00:22:13.542 --> 00:22:14.422
in our uniform,

698
00:22:14.702 --> 00:22:15.022
right?

699
00:22:15.082 --> 00:22:15.722
Or how...

700
00:22:16.458 --> 00:22:18.700
Maybe how society identifies us,

701
00:22:19.360 --> 00:22:21.182
we kind of feel like that is our identity.

702
00:22:21.242 --> 00:22:23.223
And it's not necessary.

703
00:22:23.524 --> 00:22:24.184
It's not true,

704
00:22:24.264 --> 00:22:24.624
period.

705
00:22:25.885 --> 00:22:29.388
But it makes sense that we would feel that way.

706
00:22:29.428 --> 00:22:29.548
And

707
00:22:30.369 --> 00:22:33.491
I think with the people in the camouflage and the people in the jersey,

708
00:22:33.612 --> 00:22:35.413
where both of those careers,

709
00:22:35.493 --> 00:22:43.479
while you can stay in the game in a different capacity or stay in the military in a different capacity,

710
00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:44.700
like

711
00:22:45.230 --> 00:22:50.294
at a fairly young age in regards to the rest of our life expectancy,

712
00:22:50.334 --> 00:22:52.356
at a fairly young age you peak.

713
00:22:52.916 --> 00:22:57.640
And there's not a lot of other professions like that where you're in your

714
00:22:58.661 --> 00:22:59.641
20s and maybe

715
00:23:00.022 --> 00:23:03.805
30s and it's like you're at your optimal performance level.

716
00:23:05.286 --> 00:23:05.906
Most things,

717
00:23:06.046 --> 00:23:06.967
that's just the beginning.

718
00:23:07.127 --> 00:23:07.888
You're just learning.

719
00:23:08.348 --> 00:23:08.949
You're an intern.

720
00:23:09.069 --> 00:23:13.852
And you're a part of something meaningful and purposeful.

721
00:23:14.874 --> 00:23:15.114
you know,

722
00:23:15.774 --> 00:23:17.414
sports and combat,

723
00:23:17.854 --> 00:23:23.274
completely different situations and a different type of stakes and all of the different types of sacrifice.

724
00:23:23.314 --> 00:23:27.694
But there are those things in both fields,

725
00:23:27.774 --> 00:23:28.374
you know what I mean?

726
00:23:30.894 --> 00:23:31.534
And it's just,

727
00:23:32.254 --> 00:23:32.634
yeah,

728
00:23:33.314 --> 00:23:33.834
it's tough.

729
00:23:34.394 --> 00:23:37.314
It can be very tough because that's the other thing too.

730
00:23:38.474 --> 00:23:41.994
We don't really do the plan B or the backup plan thing.

731
00:23:42.694 --> 00:23:43.214
And I think

732
00:23:44.382 --> 00:23:44.622
you know,

733
00:23:45.083 --> 00:23:47.585
there's obviously value in like thinking about the future,

734
00:23:47.665 --> 00:23:52.168
but also we're so focused on the mission right now.

735
00:23:52.549 --> 00:23:54.510
And we feel that,

736
00:23:54.670 --> 00:23:55.771
and it's probably true.

737
00:23:55.811 --> 00:24:00.435
It is true at some capacity that if you don't focus all your energy into this thing,

738
00:24:01.435 --> 00:24:06.740
then somebody else is going to take my spot or I'm not going to meet the standard or whatever that is,

739
00:24:06.780 --> 00:24:07.040
you know,

740
00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:07.660
and sport,

741
00:24:07.700 --> 00:24:09.101
I think even more so in sports,

742
00:24:09.102 --> 00:24:12.224
because there's always that next guy trying to take your job.

743
00:24:12.444 --> 00:24:12.664
And it's

744
00:24:12.902 --> 00:24:30.536
hyper competitive and there's only you know take the nfl there's only 32 teams that means there's only 32 starting quarterbacks and or whatever and uh and there's thousands if not millions that want to be that you know what i mean so that's that's great that's tough and you have to just you

745
00:24:30.537 --> 00:24:40.484
know tom beretti is a great example like obviously probably the greatest example a guy played for 23 years or something and won seven super bowls and wasn't the best athlete in the world,

746
00:24:40.544 --> 00:24:42.465
but just his whole...

747
00:24:42.999 --> 00:24:45.302
24-7 was just the mission,

748
00:24:46.043 --> 00:24:47.345
was winning the next Super Bowl.

749
00:24:47.646 --> 00:24:48.527
And

750
00:24:50.130 --> 00:24:54.196
Tom Brady's first Super Bowl was my Hell Week kickoff.

751
00:24:55.037 --> 00:24:55.158
Oh,

752
00:24:55.159 --> 00:24:55.278
wow.

753
00:24:55.338 --> 00:24:57.942
And we got together as a class,

754
00:24:57.943 --> 00:24:58.683
a Buds class.

755
00:24:59.600 --> 00:25:23.659
on the training compound to watch that and it was the rams versus the pats uh super bowl 36 uh and we got together as a as a class thinking that it would be a good idea to to eat a whole bunch of pizza and drink some soda right before hell we kicked off and it kicked off literally within an hour after the game and we regretted every second of it oh my god that's soda was all over the beach i imagine yeah indeed

756
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:26.801
indeed you said that better than i would nate i was

757
00:25:27.662 --> 00:25:28.182
Exactly.

758
00:25:28.836 --> 00:25:29.516
But yeah,

759
00:25:29.517 --> 00:25:29.636
the,

760
00:25:29.816 --> 00:25:30.036
I mean,

761
00:25:30.056 --> 00:25:30.456
but you know,

762
00:25:30.536 --> 00:25:32.216
everything speak to speak on food,

763
00:25:32.456 --> 00:25:32.736
everything,

764
00:25:32.737 --> 00:25:34.296
the guy put in his body and every,

765
00:25:35.036 --> 00:25:35.656
every rep,

766
00:25:35.836 --> 00:25:36.096
every,

767
00:25:36.356 --> 00:25:37.516
everything was just very,

768
00:25:38.336 --> 00:25:38.576
you know,

769
00:25:38.696 --> 00:25:39.456
precise.

770
00:25:39.676 --> 00:25:41.216
And it's like,

771
00:25:41.276 --> 00:25:41.516
yeah.

772
00:25:41.636 --> 00:25:42.356
So that's,

773
00:25:42.556 --> 00:25:43.996
that's just what it takes to be great.

774
00:25:44.036 --> 00:25:46.636
And I think that when that ends,

775
00:25:46.776 --> 00:25:47.276
whether you,

776
00:25:48.156 --> 00:25:49.896
even if you were planned retirement,

777
00:25:49.916 --> 00:25:50.176
you know,

778
00:25:50.276 --> 00:25:53.236
say you were in the teams for 20 years and it's like,

779
00:25:53.276 --> 00:25:54.436
or 30 years or whatever it is,

780
00:25:55.216 --> 00:25:56.156
and you think you're ready,

781
00:25:56.216 --> 00:25:56.776
you're planning your,

782
00:25:57.016 --> 00:25:57.716
and then you get out.

783
00:25:57.736 --> 00:25:58.136
It's like.

784
00:25:58.560 --> 00:26:14.940
a month later not everybody but most most of us a lot of us are just like like what am i doing now what i did i did the vacation i did that i took my breath i took the breath and now i'm just like i'm stir crazy the silence is killing me the lack

785
00:26:14.980 --> 00:26:27.660
of uh chaos uh tyler gray told me one time he was like i don't even and i used it in the in in the we made a movie about mvp i know we'll talk about mvp a bit but

786
00:26:28.752 --> 00:26:28.912
Yeah.

787
00:26:29.333 --> 00:26:34.016
I use the line in the movie where it's like most of my post-traumatic stress is from lack of traumatic stress.

788
00:26:34.457 --> 00:26:35.478
And that was something that

789
00:26:35.898 --> 00:26:36.779
Tyler had said once.

790
00:26:36.780 --> 00:26:38.040
And it just really hit me because I'm like,

791
00:26:38.060 --> 00:26:38.200
dude,

792
00:26:38.201 --> 00:26:39.200
that's so me.

793
00:26:39.561 --> 00:26:39.801
I mean,

794
00:26:39.881 --> 00:26:41.602
everybody's got experience with that,

795
00:26:41.662 --> 00:26:44.505
but that it hit me because I was like,

796
00:26:44.525 --> 00:26:44.845
that's,

797
00:26:45.325 --> 00:26:46.006
that is what it is.

798
00:26:46.007 --> 00:26:48.107
It's the lack of the chaos,

799
00:26:48.188 --> 00:26:48.548
you know,

800
00:26:48.708 --> 00:26:50.129
that adrenaline,

801
00:26:50.750 --> 00:26:53.011
because that just made me feel purposeful.

802
00:26:53.111 --> 00:26:53.632
Cause I'm like,

803
00:26:54.212 --> 00:26:54.552
here we go,

804
00:26:54.813 --> 00:26:55.133
you know,

805
00:26:55.974 --> 00:26:56.414
time to,

806
00:26:56.554 --> 00:26:57.495
time to fix things.

807
00:26:58.144 --> 00:26:58.304
Yeah.

808
00:26:58.364 --> 00:26:58.504
Well,

809
00:26:58.505 --> 00:26:59.464
you become alive.

810
00:26:59.484 --> 00:26:59.724
You know,

811
00:26:59.725 --> 00:27:01.184
we get rewarded for change.

812
00:27:01.204 --> 00:27:03.844
We get rewarded for putting ourselves out there,

813
00:27:03.864 --> 00:27:04.684
for taking risks,

814
00:27:04.744 --> 00:27:05.544
like for being,

815
00:27:05.664 --> 00:27:05.944
you know,

816
00:27:05.984 --> 00:27:09.884
to to do something higher than ourselves,

817
00:27:09.924 --> 00:27:11.344
like to work with some sort of purpose.

818
00:27:11.784 --> 00:27:18.084
And it's and it's like I could see like or just from you talking and looking at your career and what you've done and you're only like,

819
00:27:18.085 --> 00:27:18.284
what are you,

820
00:27:18.285 --> 00:27:19.604
45 now or something like that,

821
00:27:19.624 --> 00:27:21.004
which is important for easy.

822
00:27:21.224 --> 00:27:21.484
OK,

823
00:27:21.644 --> 00:27:21.844
sorry,

824
00:27:21.904 --> 00:27:22.184
sorry.

825
00:27:24.184 --> 00:27:25.104
You're the young man here.

826
00:27:26.252 --> 00:27:27.133
John's the oldest one.

827
00:27:27.153 --> 00:27:27.693
I'm just kidding.

828
00:27:27.733 --> 00:27:27.853
No,

829
00:27:27.854 --> 00:27:28.194
I'm not.

830
00:27:28.195 --> 00:27:28.354
I know.

831
00:27:28.574 --> 00:27:29.194
I'm the oldest.

832
00:27:29.195 --> 00:27:30.355
I look the oldest.

833
00:27:32.517 --> 00:27:33.978
Age is just a number.

834
00:27:34.118 --> 00:27:34.478
It is.

835
00:27:34.679 --> 00:27:35.880
It's not.

836
00:27:37.081 --> 00:27:37.201
Yeah,

837
00:27:37.221 --> 00:27:37.461
I know.

838
00:27:37.661 --> 00:27:37.881
Yeah,

839
00:27:37.921 --> 00:27:38.642
exactly.

840
00:27:39.562 --> 00:27:39.723
Well,

841
00:27:40.023 --> 00:27:40.283
I mean,

842
00:27:40.964 --> 00:27:42.385
all these different hats you've worn,

843
00:27:43.065 --> 00:27:44.887
all the different careers that you've been a part of,

844
00:27:44.967 --> 00:27:47.309
there must be a tremendous learning curve in each one,

845
00:27:47.969 --> 00:27:51.772
which can be very humbling and very uncomfortable.

846
00:27:51.792 --> 00:27:54.874
How do you deal with that humility and the discomfort that comes with like...

847
00:27:54.984 --> 00:28:10.536
trying a new fucking thing you know it's good yeah yeah i mean i think uh i mean that sort of ended with honestly even even during the during the military i mean i was 23 when i you know when i signed and

848
00:28:10.556 --> 00:28:21.585
went off and that was even old going into it wasn't really old for the q course and it wasn't old for special forces but it was definitely old for basic training you know what i mean and so a little bit of that was like

849
00:28:21.956 --> 00:28:22.156
okay,

850
00:28:22.236 --> 00:28:22.537
well,

851
00:28:22.697 --> 00:28:22.817
well,

852
00:28:22.857 --> 00:28:23.257
so what,

853
00:28:23.277 --> 00:28:23.497
you know,

854
00:28:23.498 --> 00:28:26.340
there was a guy in my basic training class that was 28 or 29.

855
00:28:26.341 --> 00:28:26.940
And so it's like,

856
00:28:26.980 --> 00:28:27.721
I'm not that old.

857
00:28:27.741 --> 00:28:27.981
I'm just,

858
00:28:28.421 --> 00:28:28.661
you know,

859
00:28:29.042 --> 00:28:29.442
it's fine.

860
00:28:29.942 --> 00:28:30.142
And,

861
00:28:30.143 --> 00:28:30.263
uh,

862
00:28:30.723 --> 00:28:34.366
and then that certainly escalated even more when I,

863
00:28:34.926 --> 00:28:35.166
you know,

864
00:28:35.206 --> 00:28:36.327
walked on at Texas at,

865
00:28:36.487 --> 00:28:38.169
at 29.

866
00:28:38.170 --> 00:28:39.089
I know that's crazy.

867
00:28:39.170 --> 00:28:39.750
And,

868
00:28:39.850 --> 00:28:39.970
and,

869
00:28:40.230 --> 00:28:41.772
and just being a college student,

870
00:28:41.812 --> 00:28:42.072
that's,

871
00:28:42.652 --> 00:28:42.932
you know,

872
00:28:43.213 --> 00:28:44.794
I'm 10 years older than the other freshmen.

873
00:28:44.874 --> 00:28:45.655
It's definitely,

874
00:28:46.816 --> 00:28:47.096
um,

875
00:28:47.596 --> 00:28:47.856
it was,

876
00:28:47.876 --> 00:28:49.778
it was probably more weird to them than it was to me.

877
00:28:49.978 --> 00:28:50.779
I just was like,

878
00:28:51.668 --> 00:29:10.983
whatever i i mean this is yeah this is i guess my path i mean it was there was times where it was like i remember you know how like when you're in high school and every year the new freshman came in you're like that is a child yes how is that yeah there's no way i looked like that when i was a freshman and you did you just didn't realize that yeah it was like that

879
00:29:11.664 --> 00:29:19.490
10x in college like what's in the new freshman on campus i'm like that is a kid you know yeah crazy um but

880
00:29:21.117 --> 00:29:35.628
uh yeah but it was like even in the in the locker room um you know with the longhorns like they the the young men i should say not kids that i played with like it it didn't take long for for

881
00:29:36.749 --> 00:29:50.159
i think at least from my perspective to feel like it was i kind of did just like fit in even though i was older than them and i realized that i recognized that but i also kind of knew my role i didn't feel that as disconnected as i thought i would um

882
00:29:51.076 --> 00:29:51.776
going into it.

883
00:29:51.777 --> 00:29:59.156
I thought that was going to be the biggest challenge of me going back to school and trying to play football was the social aspect.

884
00:29:59.157 --> 00:29:59.416
I'm like,

885
00:29:59.417 --> 00:29:59.896
this is going to be,

886
00:30:00.356 --> 00:30:01.856
that's one of the reasons I went to Texas.

887
00:30:01.896 --> 00:30:02.276
I went to,

888
00:30:02.616 --> 00:30:05.216
because Austin was a good size city.

889
00:30:05.776 --> 00:30:06.196
And I was like,

890
00:30:06.197 --> 00:30:06.316
well,

891
00:30:06.317 --> 00:30:10.116
at least if I don't get along with anybody in college,

892
00:30:10.117 --> 00:30:11.076
like if I just can't,

893
00:30:13.256 --> 00:30:14.156
if I don't fit in,

894
00:30:14.996 --> 00:30:16.276
I'll be able to meet people,

895
00:30:16.336 --> 00:30:19.396
make friends outside of the university because I've never...

896
00:30:19.904 --> 00:30:20.124
I mean,

897
00:30:20.144 --> 00:30:20.844
I'd been to Texas,

898
00:30:20.845 --> 00:30:21.784
but I never lived in Texas.

899
00:30:21.785 --> 00:30:22.744
I didn't know anybody there.

900
00:30:23.404 --> 00:30:23.524
So,

901
00:30:24.844 --> 00:30:25.024
yeah.

902
00:30:25.124 --> 00:30:25.924
So that was like,

903
00:30:26.344 --> 00:30:26.584
you know,

904
00:30:26.585 --> 00:30:26.884
it's just,

905
00:30:27.084 --> 00:30:27.284
yeah.

906
00:30:27.285 --> 00:30:28.344
Why'd you choose Texas?

907
00:30:28.404 --> 00:30:29.284
Why'd you choose UT?

908
00:30:29.624 --> 00:30:29.804
Like,

909
00:30:29.924 --> 00:30:30.104
just,

910
00:30:30.584 --> 00:30:31.024
sorry.

911
00:30:31.044 --> 00:30:31.944
I loved Austin.

912
00:30:32.364 --> 00:30:33.204
I loved Austin.

913
00:30:33.205 --> 00:30:33.644
The school,

914
00:30:33.724 --> 00:30:34.584
it's a great school.

915
00:30:34.844 --> 00:30:37.004
It's got a legendary football program.

916
00:30:37.084 --> 00:30:37.324
I mean,

917
00:30:37.344 --> 00:30:38.864
it just checked all the boxes,

918
00:30:38.904 --> 00:30:39.224
you know,

919
00:30:39.544 --> 00:30:40.744
even though it was a new place.

920
00:30:40.804 --> 00:30:41.584
But that was part of it.

921
00:30:41.585 --> 00:30:42.704
I wanted to go to a new place.

922
00:30:42.724 --> 00:30:43.044
I think

923
00:30:43.684 --> 00:30:44.704
I do embrace change,

924
00:30:44.705 --> 00:30:45.024
as you guys,

925
00:30:45.124 --> 00:30:45.364
you know,

926
00:30:45.404 --> 00:30:46.064
sort of mentioned.

927
00:30:46.544 --> 00:30:47.324
I like that.

928
00:30:47.364 --> 00:30:47.804
I like.

929
00:30:48.840 --> 00:30:49.820
I like a different,

930
00:30:51.220 --> 00:30:52.100
a different experience,

931
00:30:52.101 --> 00:30:52.860
a new experience.

932
00:30:52.861 --> 00:30:53.060
You know,

933
00:30:53.061 --> 00:30:53.860
it's just something,

934
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:56.180
you know,

935
00:30:56.940 --> 00:30:57.100
it's,

936
00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:59.920
I'm just comfortable in the discomfort of that.

937
00:31:00.040 --> 00:31:01.240
Like I do like,

938
00:31:02.100 --> 00:31:02.880
I do like,

939
00:31:04.320 --> 00:31:05.420
I do like a shakeup,

940
00:31:05.660 --> 00:31:05.980
you know?

941
00:31:07.020 --> 00:31:07.300
I think

942
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:08.440
I, I get,

943
00:31:09.780 --> 00:31:10.900
I'm not a big routine guy.

944
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:14.940
And that's something that a lot of people are surprised about with,

945
00:31:15.180 --> 00:31:15.380
you know,

946
00:31:15.381 --> 00:31:16.200
from the military thing.

947
00:31:16.201 --> 00:31:16.380
I mean,

948
00:31:16.756 --> 00:31:18.938
Doesn't mean I'm not regimented and disciplined,

949
00:31:18.939 --> 00:31:19.738
but I just don't,

950
00:31:20.619 --> 00:31:21.660
I like to do things different.

951
00:31:21.661 --> 00:31:21.940
I like to,

952
00:31:21.941 --> 00:31:23.561
I like to do a different workout every day.

953
00:31:23.601 --> 00:31:23.882
I don't,

954
00:31:23.922 --> 00:31:27.845
I don't have like a strict diet plan or I need to eat these things,

955
00:31:27.865 --> 00:31:28.765
like the meal plan.

956
00:31:29.006 --> 00:31:29.726
I just kind of,

957
00:31:30.267 --> 00:31:32.168
I try to do everything healthy.

958
00:31:32.208 --> 00:31:32.448
You know,

959
00:31:32.468 --> 00:31:33.329
I try to eat healthy.

960
00:31:34.390 --> 00:31:35.050
I try to,

961
00:31:35.531 --> 00:31:38.353
as long as you're doing something exercise wise,

962
00:31:38.354 --> 00:31:38.613
you know,

963
00:31:38.673 --> 00:31:41.015
I think you're going to get a lot.

964
00:31:41.833 --> 00:31:57.585
out of that you know you sound like you like to experiment and play with things you know what i mean just try different things on you know which is like you know i mean i i appreciate that because um that's something that i can definitely identify with but it's like that could be really challenging for other other people you know just because like we're maybe

965
00:31:57.586 --> 00:32:09.254
you got a parent that's like yeah you know and it's just like fascinating and and but i feel like we get so much more out of life when we really experience things with this like playful mindset and there's or just like a creative mindset as well,

966
00:32:09.294 --> 00:32:09.574
which is.

967
00:32:10.016 --> 00:32:11.537
kind of a part of that playfulness.

968
00:32:11.677 --> 00:32:11.857
Yeah.

969
00:32:12.438 --> 00:32:12.558
No,

970
00:32:12.578 --> 00:32:12.798
I mean,

971
00:32:12.818 --> 00:32:14.780
I think that that goes back to the animal thing.

972
00:32:14.820 --> 00:32:15.120
I think,

973
00:32:15.600 --> 00:32:15.741
look,

974
00:32:15.821 --> 00:32:16.261
everyone's like,

975
00:32:16.262 --> 00:32:16.381
well,

976
00:32:16.421 --> 00:32:17.342
dogs love routine.

977
00:32:17.362 --> 00:32:17.602
They do.

978
00:32:17.682 --> 00:32:18.383
They do love routine.

979
00:32:18.384 --> 00:32:18.643
I'm like,

980
00:32:18.723 --> 00:32:20.865
they do because they're addicted to it though.

981
00:32:21.485 --> 00:32:22.045
I think if you,

982
00:32:22.085 --> 00:32:22.326
you know,

983
00:32:22.327 --> 00:32:22.526
when you,

984
00:32:22.527 --> 00:32:23.567
when you take dogs,

985
00:32:24.127 --> 00:32:24.728
for example,

986
00:32:24.788 --> 00:32:24.908
and,

987
00:32:25.768 --> 00:32:27.550
and put them around different environments,

988
00:32:27.710 --> 00:32:28.971
if when they're not familiar to,

989
00:32:29.111 --> 00:32:29.251
yeah,

990
00:32:29.271 --> 00:32:30.572
they might be scared at first,

991
00:32:31.153 --> 00:32:31.573
but like,

992
00:32:31.593 --> 00:32:33.554
I remember the first time we took our dog to the beach,

993
00:32:33.555 --> 00:32:34.095
uh,

994
00:32:34.295 --> 00:32:35.476
when I was a kid and he,

995
00:32:35.636 --> 00:32:35.916
you know,

996
00:32:35.936 --> 00:32:36.056
he,

997
00:32:36.797 --> 00:32:36.917
we,

998
00:32:36.997 --> 00:32:37.878
we lived in California,

999
00:32:37.879 --> 00:32:39.039
but he'd just never been to the ocean.

1000
00:32:39.800 --> 00:32:41.762
And we first get out there and it's like,

1001
00:32:41.802 --> 00:32:43.123
it's kind of cold and windy.

1002
00:32:43.143 --> 00:32:44.083
And it's like this big,

1003
00:32:44.364 --> 00:32:44.724
crazy,

1004
00:32:45.264 --> 00:32:45.905
the waves,

1005
00:32:45.925 --> 00:32:48.647
like that's probably for an animal that,

1006
00:32:48.707 --> 00:32:50.468
or a child that's never seen that it's going to be like,

1007
00:32:50.529 --> 00:32:50.689
Whoa.

1008
00:32:51.249 --> 00:32:53.671
But once he got in the water and he's going crazy,

1009
00:32:53.672 --> 00:32:54.732
he was having the time of his life.

1010
00:32:54.733 --> 00:32:56.273
It was the greatest day of his life.

1011
00:32:56.274 --> 00:32:57.994
And it was near the end of his life.

1012
00:32:58.034 --> 00:32:58.575
You know what I mean?

1013
00:32:58.595 --> 00:33:00.416
And he's ripping up and down the coastline.

1014
00:33:00.417 --> 00:33:00.877
And I'm like,

1015
00:33:01.457 --> 00:33:02.698
that's a great example of like,

1016
00:33:02.798 --> 00:33:02.998
yes,

1017
00:33:03.038 --> 00:33:03.799
they love routine,

1018
00:33:03.800 --> 00:33:07.502
but it's probably a lot of it's because we get comfortable in it.

1019
00:33:07.542 --> 00:33:09.003
And we are a bit addicted.

1020
00:33:09.004 --> 00:33:29.236
to it because it's because there's no surprises you know we know what to expect right yeah it's safe exactly and there's nothing wrong with that ultimately but at least for me i i would always i think it would bother me that that there's there is other stuff out there that maybe i could experience that that could really open

1021
00:33:29.296 --> 00:33:38.343
my eyes or turn me on to something new and and take me down another path that um i don't know there's just a lot to experience in this life and i think we should yeah

1022
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:39.000
Agreed.

1023
00:33:39.521 --> 00:33:39.701
Yeah.

1024
00:33:40.001 --> 00:33:42.423
So we've talked about your time in the Green Berets.

1025
00:33:42.443 --> 00:33:44.605
We've talked about your volunteering time,

1026
00:33:44.645 --> 00:33:46.226
your time with the Longhorns.

1027
00:33:46.266 --> 00:33:49.589
And I know you went and did a short stint with

1028
00:33:50.029 --> 00:33:50.770
Seattle Seahawks,

1029
00:33:50.790 --> 00:33:51.010
right,

1030
00:33:51.030 --> 00:33:52.131
as a long snapper.

1031
00:33:54.072 --> 00:33:57.595
So your passion for the military,

1032
00:33:57.695 --> 00:33:59.456
your passion for the athletes,

1033
00:33:59.677 --> 00:33:59.997
that

1034
00:34:00.537 --> 00:34:03.500
I believe led to merging veterans and players,

1035
00:34:03.520 --> 00:34:03.640
the

1036
00:34:04.320 --> 00:34:08.063
MVP program or organization that you helped to found.

1037
00:34:08.512 --> 00:34:10.914
We've had JC Glick on the show before.

1038
00:34:11.074 --> 00:34:13.196
I think JC played a major role with MVP.

1039
00:34:13.916 --> 00:34:14.357
Now he's the

1040
00:34:15.257 --> 00:34:16.558
CEO of the Commit Foundation,

1041
00:34:16.618 --> 00:34:19.861
another phenomenal foundation or organization.

1042
00:34:19.941 --> 00:34:22.943
So that's a long intro to my question.

1043
00:34:23.023 --> 00:34:25.285
Can you just tell us about MVP?

1044
00:34:26.246 --> 00:34:26.746
What is it?

1045
00:34:27.307 --> 00:34:28.207
What's happening there?

1046
00:34:28.428 --> 00:34:29.789
And what inspired you to found it?

1047
00:34:29.889 --> 00:34:30.069
Yeah,

1048
00:34:30.189 --> 00:34:30.509
I mean,

1049
00:34:32.130 --> 00:34:32.731
yeah,

1050
00:34:32.751 --> 00:34:33.572
huge shout out to JC.

1051
00:34:33.672 --> 00:34:34.753
He really did help us a lot,

1052
00:34:34.773 --> 00:34:37.915
especially because he kind of came into the fold right before COVID.

1053
00:34:38.136 --> 00:34:42.062
And so making that transition from us just doing sort of.

1054
00:34:43.274 --> 00:34:43.514
you know,

1055
00:34:43.534 --> 00:34:44.035
in person,

1056
00:34:44.095 --> 00:34:49.359
bringing together vets and athletes and working out in the gym and doing and huddling up and all that to this virtual,

1057
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:49.919
you know,

1058
00:34:50.380 --> 00:34:51.581
world that we live in now.

1059
00:34:51.601 --> 00:34:51.801
I mean,

1060
00:34:51.881 --> 00:34:55.003
obviously we're doing this probably because of COVID,

1061
00:34:55.083 --> 00:34:55.323
you know,

1062
00:34:55.363 --> 00:34:55.724
I don't know,

1063
00:34:55.844 --> 00:34:56.965
but like,

1064
00:34:57.365 --> 00:34:58.866
like it's,

1065
00:34:59.587 --> 00:35:00.608
it's very interesting,

1066
00:35:00.648 --> 00:35:01.068
but anyway,

1067
00:35:01.108 --> 00:35:01.248
yeah,

1068
00:35:01.268 --> 00:35:01.588
he was,

1069
00:35:01.708 --> 00:35:01.989
he was,

1070
00:35:02.069 --> 00:35:05.451
he was instrumental in us kind of making that gift and,

1071
00:35:05.571 --> 00:35:05.712
and,

1072
00:35:06.132 --> 00:35:08.794
and reaching the masses and more people across the country,

1073
00:35:09.354 --> 00:35:09.595
you know,

1074
00:35:09.596 --> 00:35:10.555
and now we've got 10,

1075
00:35:10.916 --> 00:35:12.777
10 chapters and we're growing.

1076
00:35:13.070 --> 00:35:13.911
like physical chapters,

1077
00:35:13.912 --> 00:35:16.453
but we're growing leaps and bounds.

1078
00:35:16.454 --> 00:35:17.854
And a lot of that is through,

1079
00:35:18.975 --> 00:35:19.215
you know,

1080
00:35:19.395 --> 00:35:20.436
this interface now.

1081
00:35:21.357 --> 00:35:21.717
But yeah,

1082
00:35:21.857 --> 00:35:21.977
so,

1083
00:35:22.958 --> 00:35:23.198
you know,

1084
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:23.618
I spent,

1085
00:35:23.919 --> 00:35:24.379
I spent,

1086
00:35:24.479 --> 00:35:27.722
I did my time on active duty in SF.

1087
00:35:27.902 --> 00:35:29.223
And then when I went to college,

1088
00:35:29.363 --> 00:35:31.304
I transitioned into the National Guard,

1089
00:35:31.324 --> 00:35:32.665
it's a 19th Special Forces Group,

1090
00:35:33.286 --> 00:35:34.687
and actually would deploy,

1091
00:35:35.408 --> 00:35:37.629
I deployed every summer while I was playing college ball.

1092
00:35:37.789 --> 00:35:37.909
So

1093
00:35:38.670 --> 00:35:39.571
I had this

1094
00:35:40.990 --> 00:36:01.406
uniform and purpose and like constant chaos honestly and uh just this like the the the tempo like high you know high tempo uh life where it was like i'm going to class i'm playing football i take my finals early i go to afghanistan i

1095
00:36:01.426 --> 00:36:08.912
come back three and a half months later i go to training camp i go right into school again and the football season and it's just like

1096
00:36:09.382 --> 00:36:09.502
go,

1097
00:36:09.602 --> 00:36:09.722
go,

1098
00:36:09.762 --> 00:36:09.882
go,

1099
00:36:09.963 --> 00:36:10.083
go,

1100
00:36:10.163 --> 00:36:10.283
go.

1101
00:36:10.363 --> 00:36:10.983
You know,

1102
00:36:10.984 --> 00:36:11.924
and I chose all of it.

1103
00:36:12.004 --> 00:36:12.885
I loved all of it,

1104
00:36:13.085 --> 00:36:13.766
not complaining,

1105
00:36:14.246 --> 00:36:14.646
but then,

1106
00:36:16.828 --> 00:36:17.068
you know,

1107
00:36:17.228 --> 00:36:17.348
I,

1108
00:36:17.428 --> 00:36:20.070
I think football's over after college.

1109
00:36:20.110 --> 00:36:22.732
I get an opportunity with the Seahawks,

1110
00:36:22.913 --> 00:36:25.074
which was a very welcome surprise.

1111
00:36:25.094 --> 00:36:25.294
And I,

1112
00:36:25.295 --> 00:36:25.555
you know,

1113
00:36:25.556 --> 00:36:26.576
I only played in one game,

1114
00:36:26.577 --> 00:36:26.836
but it was,

1115
00:36:26.837 --> 00:36:27.336
you know,

1116
00:36:27.337 --> 00:36:28.497
it's just an amazing opportunity.

1117
00:36:28.517 --> 00:36:30.378
I was up there in Seattle for about five months.

1118
00:36:31.019 --> 00:36:31.960
And I was once again,

1119
00:36:32.040 --> 00:36:33.641
like all my energy into that.

1120
00:36:33.741 --> 00:36:35.082
Now I'm out of the military.

1121
00:36:35.102 --> 00:36:38.365
So now I can just purely focus on football and

1122
00:36:38.770 --> 00:36:40.111
I get to play in that one game,

1123
00:36:40.131 --> 00:36:40.251
and

1124
00:36:41.672 --> 00:36:44.154
I lead the team out of the tunnel with the American flag going,

1125
00:36:44.174 --> 00:36:45.215
I got to do it in college.

1126
00:36:45.255 --> 00:36:45.375
And

1127
00:36:46.216 --> 00:36:49.298
I'm like bawling on the sidelines when the anthem is playing.

1128
00:36:49.538 --> 00:36:51.980
And it's just this really cool experience.

1129
00:36:52.441 --> 00:36:53.582
And then three days later,

1130
00:36:54.082 --> 00:36:54.502
I'm cut.

1131
00:36:55.583 --> 00:36:56.924
And that's it.

1132
00:36:57.505 --> 00:36:58.065
Still though.

1133
00:36:58.125 --> 00:36:58.245
Yeah.

1134
00:36:58.285 --> 00:37:01.588
Backup quarterback got injured.

1135
00:37:01.589 --> 00:37:03.409
They had to bring in another quarterback.

1136
00:37:04.030 --> 00:37:06.692
And it didn't make sense to have two long neighbors on the roster.

1137
00:37:06.792 --> 00:37:07.973
So that was it.

1138
00:37:08.658 --> 00:37:09.138
that was it.

1139
00:37:09.399 --> 00:37:09.659
And,

1140
00:37:09.979 --> 00:37:10.239
you know,

1141
00:37:10.299 --> 00:37:11.620
and the other long snapper was better.

1142
00:37:12.001 --> 00:37:13.001
He'd been there six years.

1143
00:37:13.021 --> 00:37:14.963
He was also about six years younger than me.

1144
00:37:16.484 --> 00:37:16.604
Um,

1145
00:37:16.744 --> 00:37:19.446
but he deserved the job and he deserved the job.

1146
00:37:19.507 --> 00:37:19.827
So he,

1147
00:37:20.007 --> 00:37:20.147
uh,

1148
00:37:20.527 --> 00:37:21.948
so I guess I was gone done.

1149
00:37:21.968 --> 00:37:22.109
And,

1150
00:37:22.489 --> 00:37:23.330
and that was like,

1151
00:37:24.530 --> 00:37:25.131
all of a sudden,

1152
00:37:25.291 --> 00:37:25.551
you know,

1153
00:37:26.552 --> 00:37:27.072
in the past,

1154
00:37:27.092 --> 00:37:27.993
if something like that happened,

1155
00:37:27.994 --> 00:37:28.213
it's like,

1156
00:37:28.214 --> 00:37:28.313
well,

1157
00:37:28.314 --> 00:37:29.154
I still got the military.

1158
00:37:29.194 --> 00:37:30.235
I still got this other team.

1159
00:37:30.635 --> 00:37:31.596
I didn't have that team.

1160
00:37:31.756 --> 00:37:35.499
And all of a sudden it's like all my shit's going into a garbage bag,

1161
00:37:36.380 --> 00:37:37.280
leave in the locker room.

1162
00:37:37.798 --> 00:37:38.579
getting on a flight,

1163
00:37:38.879 --> 00:37:39.119
you know,

1164
00:37:39.359 --> 00:37:39.559
move,

1165
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:40.320
going back home.

1166
00:37:40.340 --> 00:37:40.460
And,

1167
00:37:41.021 --> 00:37:41.681
and I don't,

1168
00:37:41.821 --> 00:37:43.142
uh,

1169
00:37:43.143 --> 00:37:44.884
I just don't even know what's next.

1170
00:37:44.904 --> 00:37:47.085
And there's nothing wrong with that.

1171
00:37:48.086 --> 00:37:48.366
You know,

1172
00:37:49.707 --> 00:37:50.828
that happens to people all the time,

1173
00:37:51.249 --> 00:37:53.550
but I just like quickly panicked.

1174
00:37:53.551 --> 00:37:54.411
He like within days,

1175
00:37:54.451 --> 00:37:55.192
I was just like,

1176
00:37:55.792 --> 00:37:56.933
what am I going to do with my life?

1177
00:37:57.013 --> 00:37:57.533
What's next?

1178
00:37:57.534 --> 00:37:58.814
I'm sure I go back to the military.

1179
00:37:58.875 --> 00:37:59.315
I just was,

1180
00:37:59.675 --> 00:38:00.496
I was 34.

1181
00:38:00.536 --> 00:38:01.877
So I wasn't like that old.

1182
00:38:02.097 --> 00:38:02.637
I could have.

1183
00:38:03.638 --> 00:38:03.898
Um,

1184
00:38:03.958 --> 00:38:05.400
so I considered that and I'd met,

1185
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:07.341
I'd met Jay Glazer who

1186
00:38:08.506 --> 00:38:08.626
Um,

1187
00:38:08.627 --> 00:38:09.566
he's a Fox NFL,

1188
00:38:10.086 --> 00:38:10.226
uh,

1189
00:38:10.446 --> 00:38:12.066
Sunday analyst and,

1190
00:38:13.566 --> 00:38:13.686
um,

1191
00:38:13.687 --> 00:38:13.866
you know,

1192
00:38:13.906 --> 00:38:15.166
big mental health advocate,

1193
00:38:15.346 --> 00:38:16.766
not necessarily at the time yet,

1194
00:38:16.866 --> 00:38:18.046
but has become one since,

1195
00:38:18.786 --> 00:38:20.366
but he just had a lot of respect for,

1196
00:38:20.826 --> 00:38:21.066
um,

1197
00:38:21.526 --> 00:38:22.886
folks in the military because he was in

1198
00:38:23.406 --> 00:38:24.646
New York city on nine 11.

1199
00:38:24.647 --> 00:38:26.026
He lost one of his best friends,

1200
00:38:26.666 --> 00:38:26.806
um,

1201
00:38:26.826 --> 00:38:27.326
to the tech,

1202
00:38:27.346 --> 00:38:28.066
to the attacks.

1203
00:38:28.366 --> 00:38:28.766
And,

1204
00:38:29.246 --> 00:38:29.906
um,

1205
00:38:31.146 --> 00:38:34.086
and then of course he is through his work and.

1206
00:38:34.334 --> 00:38:36.035
in the MMA world and the football world,

1207
00:38:36.055 --> 00:38:46.123
he's just met so many athletes and coaches and people around sports that have really seen these guys often go into a very dark place when it's over.

1208
00:38:46.383 --> 00:38:46.624
Right.

1209
00:38:47.064 --> 00:38:48.865
Because it happens like that more often than not,

1210
00:38:48.965 --> 00:38:52.328
you are just cut or you have a career ending injury or whatever it is.

1211
00:38:52.329 --> 00:38:54.790
And it's like one day you're on top of the world.

1212
00:38:54.791 --> 00:38:57.132
The next day you're lost in the sauce,

1213
00:38:57.133 --> 00:38:57.372
you know?

1214
00:38:58.133 --> 00:38:58.373
And,

1215
00:38:58.433 --> 00:38:58.773
uh,

1216
00:38:59.774 --> 00:38:59.894
so

1217
00:39:00.995 --> 00:39:02.416
Jay, I had trained at his gym.

1218
00:39:02.694 --> 00:39:04.676
in preparation for that opportunity in Seattle.

1219
00:39:05.456 --> 00:39:08.138
And his gym was in Los Angeles.

1220
00:39:08.178 --> 00:39:09.419
He's been sold it.

1221
00:39:09.420 --> 00:39:09.780
But anyway,

1222
00:39:09.781 --> 00:39:10.240
at the time,

1223
00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:12.582
it was a place called Unbreakable Performance Center.

1224
00:39:13.082 --> 00:39:18.767
And I went into the gym and I'd met him and he'd helped prepare me for that opportunity in Seattle.

1225
00:39:19.027 --> 00:39:20.628
And after I got cut,

1226
00:39:20.728 --> 00:39:21.589
I came back here.

1227
00:39:22.249 --> 00:39:24.891
I stayed in his casita for a few days.

1228
00:39:25.372 --> 00:39:26.593
It turned into a month actually.

1229
00:39:27.453 --> 00:39:28.434
And trying to figure it out.

1230
00:39:28.435 --> 00:39:29.135
And he was just like,

1231
00:39:29.155 --> 00:39:29.395
all right,

1232
00:39:29.415 --> 00:39:30.095
just slow down.

1233
00:39:31.096 --> 00:39:31.316
Like.

1234
00:39:31.474 --> 00:39:43.383
you look you can go back in the military if you want or figure out whatever crazy thing you're going to do next um but let me just tell you let me just pitch you this thing he's like i think i've seen it with you and

1235
00:39:43.841 --> 00:39:48.385
I know you've seen it with a lot of vets and I've seen it with a lot of athletes like this,

1236
00:39:49.586 --> 00:39:53.869
this like loss of identity and purpose when it ends,

1237
00:39:53.909 --> 00:39:54.149
you know,

1238
00:39:54.229 --> 00:39:59.293
and still being very young and sort of feeling like the sky is falling and all this stuff,

1239
00:39:59.353 --> 00:40:02.656
because you put all those eggs in that basket and there's nothing wrong with that.

1240
00:40:03.837 --> 00:40:04.597
You kind of had to,

1241
00:40:04.657 --> 00:40:05.558
to get where you got,

1242
00:40:05.838 --> 00:40:07.860
but you need to know that it's okay.

1243
00:40:08.240 --> 00:40:08.700
And there's

1244
00:40:09.077 --> 00:40:10.238
a lot of other stuff you can do.

1245
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:12.420
You can repurpose and re harness that,

1246
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:12.720
you know,

1247
00:40:12.721 --> 00:40:14.021
that energy into something else.

1248
00:40:14.041 --> 00:40:15.462
And it's going to be great.

1249
00:40:16.223 --> 00:40:16.783
You just need to,

1250
00:40:16.784 --> 00:40:18.264
um,

1251
00:40:18.825 --> 00:40:19.865
you just need to ease into that,

1252
00:40:19.905 --> 00:40:20.186
you know?

1253
00:40:20.566 --> 00:40:21.767
And I think he's like,

1254
00:40:21.787 --> 00:40:26.611
I would like to start a foundation organization that helps people like in the situation that you're in,

1255
00:40:26.612 --> 00:40:27.952
not necessarily guys that did both,

1256
00:40:28.052 --> 00:40:31.615
but just guys that did either one that sort of have that mutual respect for the other side.

1257
00:40:31.635 --> 00:40:33.516
Cause athletes look up to vets.

1258
00:40:33.517 --> 00:40:35.117
A lot of vets look up to athletes,

1259
00:40:35.177 --> 00:40:35.498
you know,

1260
00:40:35.798 --> 00:40:37.119
and there is that,

1261
00:40:37.319 --> 00:40:37.579
that,

1262
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:37.719
uh,

1263
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:38.680
common bond.

1264
00:40:39.185 --> 00:40:39.806
As far as,

1265
00:40:40.266 --> 00:40:40.506
you know,

1266
00:40:40.526 --> 00:40:44.049
everything beyond the actual field we're playing on or fighting on.

1267
00:40:44.069 --> 00:40:44.809
Like that is different,

1268
00:40:44.810 --> 00:40:45.210
of course.

1269
00:40:45.530 --> 00:40:46.251
But the rest of it,

1270
00:40:46.611 --> 00:40:47.512
the camaraderie,

1271
00:40:47.592 --> 00:40:48.372
the structure,

1272
00:40:48.592 --> 00:40:49.153
all those things,

1273
00:40:49.154 --> 00:40:49.974
as we just discussed,

1274
00:40:49.975 --> 00:40:50.514
are very similar.

1275
00:40:50.534 --> 00:40:52.956
So that's why we started merging bets and players.

1276
00:40:53.016 --> 00:40:53.176
Yeah.

1277
00:40:53.356 --> 00:40:53.556
Yeah.

1278
00:40:53.776 --> 00:40:53.997
I mean,

1279
00:40:54.037 --> 00:40:57.840
being laser focused on one mission for years.

1280
00:40:57.900 --> 00:40:58.180
Right.

1281
00:40:58.900 --> 00:40:59.921
I went to this program.

1282
00:41:00.021 --> 00:41:03.404
I think JC also went to it after called Tuck Next Step.

1283
00:41:03.424 --> 00:41:04.565
I'm sure you're familiar with it.

1284
00:41:04.885 --> 00:41:05.265
Nate.

1285
00:41:05.526 --> 00:41:06.106
Tuck Next Step.

1286
00:41:06.126 --> 00:41:06.526
I need you.

1287
00:41:06.527 --> 00:41:06.707
Yeah.

1288
00:41:06.787 --> 00:41:07.327
So Tuck.

1289
00:41:07.467 --> 00:41:07.687
Yeah.

1290
00:41:07.917 --> 00:41:08.598
Tuck Next Step,

1291
00:41:08.638 --> 00:41:10.399
it's at Dartmouth University.

1292
00:41:10.459 --> 00:41:11.720
Their business school is Tuck,

1293
00:41:11.721 --> 00:41:18.545
and they have a 10-day crash course for business for transitioning service members and transitioning athletes.

1294
00:41:19.026 --> 00:41:19.906
And day one,

1295
00:41:20.047 --> 00:41:20.267
you know,

1296
00:41:20.287 --> 00:41:21.027
it's just this room.

1297
00:41:21.127 --> 00:41:22.308
Everybody kind of goes in there,

1298
00:41:22.869 --> 00:41:24.610
and all the athletes are on one side.

1299
00:41:24.630 --> 00:41:25.671
You've got gold medalists,

1300
00:41:25.851 --> 00:41:27.132
former NBA players,

1301
00:41:27.192 --> 00:41:28.773
all these guys and gals.

1302
00:41:28.774 --> 00:41:30.995
And I'll tell you,

1303
00:41:31.075 --> 00:41:33.877
the gold medalists or the Olympic athletes,

1304
00:41:33.917 --> 00:41:35.158
you think they have it made?

1305
00:41:35.699 --> 00:41:35.819
No,

1306
00:41:35.879 --> 00:41:36.259
they don't.

1307
00:41:36.357 --> 00:41:36.497
man,

1308
00:41:36.557 --> 00:41:36.777
those,

1309
00:41:36.837 --> 00:41:39.099
those folks live a hard life after they,

1310
00:41:39.299 --> 00:41:39.940
they get cut.

1311
00:41:39.980 --> 00:41:42.081
Like it could come down to tenths of a second,

1312
00:41:42.082 --> 00:41:44.623
maybe even hundreds of a second and they lose their stipend.

1313
00:41:45.184 --> 00:41:45.644
But anyhow,

1314
00:41:45.924 --> 00:41:50.908
so we've got all the athletes on one side of this big room and we've got all the service members on the other side.

1315
00:41:50.909 --> 00:41:52.510
And we're both looking across the room and like,

1316
00:41:52.511 --> 00:41:52.970
Oh my gosh,

1317
00:41:52.990 --> 00:41:53.791
those are athletes.

1318
00:41:53.792 --> 00:41:56.413
And they're looking over us like those are seals and green berets.

1319
00:41:56.893 --> 00:41:57.053
And,

1320
00:41:57.054 --> 00:41:57.173
uh,

1321
00:41:57.313 --> 00:41:59.955
and then the next day we go into class and it's one athlete,

1322
00:42:00.076 --> 00:42:00.716
one service member,

1323
00:42:00.816 --> 00:42:01.236
one athlete,

1324
00:42:01.276 --> 00:42:01.917
one service member.

1325
00:42:02.097 --> 00:42:03.158
And we sit there and talk.

1326
00:42:03.798 --> 00:42:04.979
And yeah.

1327
00:42:05.153 --> 00:42:09.957
there's a lot of overlap there in what it is we're experiencing.

1328
00:42:10.197 --> 00:42:12.799
And I don't know if you've ever seen the documentary,

1329
00:42:12.819 --> 00:42:14.881
The Weight of Gold with

1330
00:42:16.402 --> 00:42:17.142
Michael Phelps.

1331
00:42:17.483 --> 00:42:20.245
And basically it's how these athletes,

1332
00:42:20.705 --> 00:42:22.707
they have so much pressure to perform.

1333
00:42:22.787 --> 00:42:24.168
And then as soon as they're done,

1334
00:42:24.468 --> 00:42:26.129
they're kind of thrown to the wolves.

1335
00:42:26.850 --> 00:42:28.011
So I love what you're doing with

1336
00:42:28.631 --> 00:42:29.432
MVP. I mean,

1337
00:42:29.912 --> 00:42:32.434
that's a powerful mission that you guys have.

1338
00:42:32.454 --> 00:42:33.996
So congrats on that,

1339
00:42:34.016 --> 00:42:34.236
brother.

1340
00:42:34.256 --> 00:42:34.596
Thank you.

1341
00:42:34.937 --> 00:42:35.817
I had talked to,

1342
00:42:36.177 --> 00:42:37.517
there's a gentleman named Trey Hardy,

1343
00:42:37.777 --> 00:42:38.877
who was a decathlete,

1344
00:42:38.878 --> 00:42:43.557
I believe a silver medalist that played at Texas or competed at Texas,

1345
00:42:43.558 --> 00:42:44.017
I should say,

1346
00:42:44.077 --> 00:42:44.517
went to UT.

1347
00:42:45.417 --> 00:42:46.597
And then also a good friend of mine,

1348
00:42:46.617 --> 00:42:47.297
Leo Manzano,

1349
00:42:47.397 --> 00:42:49.297
who won the silver medal in the mile in,

1350
00:42:49.637 --> 00:42:50.897
I believe in the 2012 games.

1351
00:42:51.677 --> 00:42:52.697
And both of those guys,

1352
00:42:53.077 --> 00:42:53.937
silver medalists,

1353
00:42:55.417 --> 00:42:55.677
you know,

1354
00:42:55.917 --> 00:43:00.077
went through some really tough stuff and are now,

1355
00:43:00.137 --> 00:43:00.377
you know,

1356
00:43:00.417 --> 00:43:01.017
back training,

1357
00:43:01.257 --> 00:43:02.897
training folks and like kind of back.

1358
00:43:03.209 --> 00:43:20.382
it took him a while to get back to the sport because it was like one of those things you feel like a pariah you feel like when you when it's over you feel like you shouldn't you're just like i need to get away from this because i'm not needed anymore but what trey had told me at least at certain at one time or another the the

1359
00:43:20.402 --> 00:43:32.092
number one determining factor of suicide amongst olympians was silver medals because you are i mean you want a silver medal you're just you're like a double whammy

1360
00:43:33.193 --> 00:43:34.014
But it's like,

1361
00:43:34.114 --> 00:43:35.935
you feel like I'm the first loser.

1362
00:43:36.536 --> 00:43:36.936
And

1363
00:43:37.637 --> 00:43:39.418
I just was so close to that,

1364
00:43:39.638 --> 00:43:40.138
to gold.

1365
00:43:40.158 --> 00:43:41.079
I was so close to,

1366
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:41.820
you know,

1367
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:43.461
that what I put,

1368
00:43:43.861 --> 00:43:45.603
what I poured everything into.

1369
00:43:45.683 --> 00:43:47.044
And I just didn't quite,

1370
00:43:47.524 --> 00:43:50.206
I'm just barely not good enough or whatever that is.

1371
00:43:50.827 --> 00:43:51.888
And then you lose your identity.

1372
00:43:52.168 --> 00:43:52.668
Then you're like,

1373
00:43:52.708 --> 00:43:53.569
then the games are over.

1374
00:43:53.649 --> 00:43:54.089
And it's like,

1375
00:43:54.090 --> 00:43:54.970
now who the fuck am I?

1376
00:43:55.190 --> 00:43:55.611
You know,

1377
00:43:55.711 --> 00:43:56.111
I'm like,

1378
00:43:56.151 --> 00:43:57.452
not only second place,

1379
00:43:57.453 --> 00:43:58.173
the first loser,

1380
00:43:58.233 --> 00:43:59.794
but like,

1381
00:44:00.014 --> 00:44:01.415
I don't need to borrow it.

1382
00:44:01.833 --> 00:44:17.966
right in their minds in their minds yeah and i've heard like bronze medalists they have a better sense of achievement or accomplishment than the silver medalists because they're like hey i almost didn't get on the on the podium right and the silver medal like almost

1383
00:44:18.226 --> 00:44:22.769
i almost got gold but i didn't quite have it right that's wild to think about that

1384
00:44:23.957 --> 00:44:24.077
Well,

1385
00:44:24.117 --> 00:44:24.397
right on,

1386
00:44:24.417 --> 00:44:24.557
man.

1387
00:44:24.858 --> 00:44:26.899
I know you've got a short timeline here,

1388
00:44:26.939 --> 00:44:28.200
so we'll start to wrap it up.

1389
00:44:28.681 --> 00:44:29.802
I've got one more question.

1390
00:44:30.342 --> 00:44:31.603
I'll throw it over to you after that.

1391
00:44:31.604 --> 00:44:31.723
No,

1392
00:44:31.783 --> 00:44:31.903
no,

1393
00:44:31.943 --> 00:44:32.243
go ahead,

1394
00:44:32.264 --> 00:44:32.484
John.

1395
00:44:32.504 --> 00:44:32.784
You got it.

1396
00:44:32.785 --> 00:44:33.324
Keep rolling.

1397
00:44:33.845 --> 00:44:34.105
I mean,

1398
00:44:34.545 --> 00:44:36.567
just from our conversation and what I know about you,

1399
00:44:36.607 --> 00:44:36.867
Nate,

1400
00:44:37.107 --> 00:44:37.728
it seems like.

1401
00:44:39.132 --> 00:44:41.692
You jump in before you know how deep the water is,

1402
00:44:41.732 --> 00:44:41.952
right?

1403
00:44:41.992 --> 00:44:42.272
You're like,

1404
00:44:42.412 --> 00:44:42.552
oh,

1405
00:44:42.652 --> 00:44:42.772
well,

1406
00:44:42.812 --> 00:44:44.372
I'm just going to show up in Sudan.

1407
00:44:44.692 --> 00:44:46.072
I have no idea what is going to happen.

1408
00:44:46.073 --> 00:44:48.972
I'm going to go into the play for the Longhorns.

1409
00:44:48.973 --> 00:44:49.632
I'm going to do X,

1410
00:44:49.712 --> 00:44:49.832
Y,

1411
00:44:49.833 --> 00:44:50.032
and Z.

1412
00:44:51.272 --> 00:44:56.092
For someone feeling stuck or uncertain about their purpose,

1413
00:44:56.112 --> 00:44:57.632
maybe what their next step is,

1414
00:44:59.032 --> 00:45:05.172
what would you recommend for them to start creating this new change or this new life?

1415
00:45:05.432 --> 00:45:07.592
And how do you build the trust to move forward?

1416
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.023
even when you don't know what that next step or what the path is going to look like.

1417
00:45:12.324 --> 00:45:12.484
Yeah.

1418
00:45:12.564 --> 00:45:12.744
That's,

1419
00:45:12.824 --> 00:45:13.284
I mean,

1420
00:45:13.285 --> 00:45:18.368
I do get asked that a good amount and I think it just depends on the individual for sure.

1421
00:45:19.349 --> 00:45:19.569
But

1422
00:45:20.230 --> 00:45:20.910
I think of it,

1423
00:45:22.051 --> 00:45:23.252
I often think of things in,

1424
00:45:23.853 --> 00:45:24.253
first of all,

1425
00:45:24.453 --> 00:45:25.794
I'm a glass half empty guy.

1426
00:45:25.795 --> 00:45:27.195
It doesn't mean I'm a pessimist.

1427
00:45:27.375 --> 00:45:29.437
It just means I recognize I'm not,

1428
00:45:29.777 --> 00:45:32.059
I'm not satisfied with the glass being half full.

1429
00:45:32.179 --> 00:45:35.141
Like I want to keep working until it's full.

1430
00:45:35.402 --> 00:45:35.642
Right.

1431
00:45:37.484 --> 00:45:39.005
So it's like,

1432
00:45:39.105 --> 00:45:40.667
I think people mistaken that for like,

1433
00:45:40.687 --> 00:45:40.807
oh,

1434
00:45:40.847 --> 00:45:41.147
you're just,

1435
00:45:41.167 --> 00:45:41.387
you know,

1436
00:45:41.407 --> 00:45:41.928
you're Eeyore,

1437
00:45:41.968 --> 00:45:42.988
you see the bad and everything.

1438
00:45:43.008 --> 00:45:43.289
It's like,

1439
00:45:43.290 --> 00:45:43.409
no,

1440
00:45:43.410 --> 00:45:43.509
no,

1441
00:45:43.510 --> 00:45:43.629
no.

1442
00:45:43.649 --> 00:45:44.950
I just see the potential.

1443
00:45:45.370 --> 00:45:47.572
I see the potential in this thing.

1444
00:45:47.712 --> 00:45:48.353
You know what I mean?

1445
00:45:48.693 --> 00:45:51.875
Otherwise I wouldn't give it any time of my time of day.

1446
00:45:52.456 --> 00:45:52.576
So,

1447
00:45:53.697 --> 00:45:53.937
you know,

1448
00:45:53.997 --> 00:45:55.838
I just think it's sort of looking,

1449
00:45:56.659 --> 00:45:57.400
looking at it from,

1450
00:45:57.420 --> 00:45:57.640
you know,

1451
00:45:57.660 --> 00:46:01.022
taking a step back and looking at it from the exterior and kind of some of the things we were speaking about,

1452
00:46:01.723 --> 00:46:02.063
like,

1453
00:46:02.704 --> 00:46:02.944
you know,

1454
00:46:03.504 --> 00:46:04.605
what is important to you?

1455
00:46:04.705 --> 00:46:04.906
Like,

1456
00:46:05.266 --> 00:46:06.707
what is the most important thing to you?

1457
00:46:06.896 --> 00:46:07.516
And if,

1458
00:46:08.556 --> 00:46:08.716
if,

1459
00:46:09.376 --> 00:46:09.576
look,

1460
00:46:09.676 --> 00:46:09.796
if,

1461
00:46:10.056 --> 00:46:10.696
if it's not,

1462
00:46:10.816 --> 00:46:12.456
if it's not really a priority,

1463
00:46:12.816 --> 00:46:14.356
if it's just something you're interested in,

1464
00:46:14.357 --> 00:46:15.876
or you think you're,

1465
00:46:15.877 --> 00:46:17.436
you think you'd like to try or whatever,

1466
00:46:17.476 --> 00:46:19.756
and it's a big life shift,

1467
00:46:20.576 --> 00:46:21.976
then maybe it's not worth it,

1468
00:46:22.076 --> 00:46:22.376
you know?

1469
00:46:22.576 --> 00:46:28.116
But if it's something that's like continuously clawing at you and you're just like,

1470
00:46:28.136 --> 00:46:29.696
you can't stop thinking about it,

1471
00:46:30.016 --> 00:46:30.256
you know,

1472
00:46:30.257 --> 00:46:31.976
and this can be relationships.

1473
00:46:32.076 --> 00:46:34.116
This can be anything in your life.

1474
00:46:35.624 --> 00:46:53.198
to let that just die on the vine and not try and cultivate something there is just crazy i mean we talk about it all the time and you know so in society it's like well the like like the way that i live my life people are like that's crazy you do these crazy things i'm like no crazy

1475
00:46:53.378 --> 00:47:04.146
is spending your entire life doing something you hate because you thought you you you know you you would you were worried about failing the other thing and then like you just like you just like gonna live in that.

1476
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:04.720
you know,

1477
00:47:04.780 --> 00:47:05.221
forever.

1478
00:47:05.281 --> 00:47:06.582
And you don't have to,

1479
00:47:06.802 --> 00:47:07.042
like,

1480
00:47:07.222 --> 00:47:12.987
of course we all need to work and do things we don't love to do to supplement our dreams at times.

1481
00:47:13.227 --> 00:47:13.367
And,

1482
00:47:13.547 --> 00:47:15.289
and even when you're,

1483
00:47:15.290 --> 00:47:16.129
you're living your dream,

1484
00:47:16.169 --> 00:47:17.831
like I think I'm kind of doing,

1485
00:47:17.851 --> 00:47:20.212
like I'm doing the things that I'm still doing a bunch of shit.

1486
00:47:20.232 --> 00:47:21.754
I don't want to do every day.

1487
00:47:22.234 --> 00:47:22.534
You know,

1488
00:47:22.794 --> 00:47:23.755
that's just part of it.

1489
00:47:23.815 --> 00:47:24.716
Like that's life.

1490
00:47:24.796 --> 00:47:25.176
It's just,

1491
00:47:25.537 --> 00:47:26.337
it's never going to be,

1492
00:47:26.778 --> 00:47:27.178
you're just,

1493
00:47:27.458 --> 00:47:27.578
Oh,

1494
00:47:27.579 --> 00:47:31.621
I just wake up every morning and I love my life and I love my job and I love my,

1495
00:47:32.202 --> 00:47:32.442
you know,

1496
00:47:32.622 --> 00:47:33.763
everybody in my world.

1497
00:47:33.823 --> 00:47:34.123
It's like.

1498
00:47:34.240 --> 00:47:34.360
No,

1499
00:47:35.101 --> 00:47:35.861
that's not the reality.

1500
00:47:36.302 --> 00:47:36.542
But

1501
00:47:39.424 --> 00:47:41.105
I am able to take that step back and be like,

1502
00:47:41.225 --> 00:47:49.532
I'm very grateful and I'm glad that I'm at least trying to do these things because I could take another path if it was strictly monetary goals.

1503
00:47:50.873 --> 00:47:51.273
I think

1504
00:47:52.374 --> 00:48:00.300
I've done enough in my past that I could probably find a very well-paying job that would be maybe comfortable and whatever,

1505
00:48:00.340 --> 00:48:03.343
but it wouldn't be doing something that I'm passionate about.

1506
00:48:03.772 --> 00:48:06.634
What I'm passionate about is storytelling and trying to make movies.

1507
00:48:06.635 --> 00:48:08.396
And so that's what I'm doing now.

1508
00:48:09.897 --> 00:48:13.059
We're in the edit now on an 80th anniversary D-Day documentary,

1509
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:14.721
which I think is super important.

1510
00:48:15.601 --> 00:48:16.882
It's not going to make any money,

1511
00:48:17.283 --> 00:48:19.084
but I think it's an important story to keep telling.

1512
00:48:19.404 --> 00:48:24.768
We're tracking down these guys that are over 100 and letting them kind of tell their story one last time.

1513
00:48:24.769 --> 00:48:26.190
And I love that.

1514
00:48:26.290 --> 00:48:26.850
And it's like,

1515
00:48:27.350 --> 00:48:29.852
it sucks so much of my time and energy and all this.

1516
00:48:30.573 --> 00:48:30.993
And I could,

1517
00:48:31.093 --> 00:48:31.774
instead of this,

1518
00:48:31.794 --> 00:48:32.154
I could go.

1519
00:48:32.604 --> 00:48:37.027
do something that would be a lot more comfortable and less risky and all that.

1520
00:48:37.128 --> 00:48:38.949
But I would always wonder like,

1521
00:48:38.969 --> 00:48:41.431
what if I would have just tried to make that movie?

1522
00:48:41.611 --> 00:48:41.931
You know,

1523
00:48:42.712 --> 00:48:43.573
I wish I would have.

1524
00:48:43.574 --> 00:48:49.097
And it would have been really cool to help carry on that legacy and tell a story or whatever that is.

1525
00:48:49.117 --> 00:48:49.237
So

1526
00:48:50.038 --> 00:48:50.378
I don't know.

1527
00:48:50.379 --> 00:48:52.159
I just think that to me,

1528
00:48:52.600 --> 00:48:53.741
because it's not for everybody,

1529
00:48:54.041 --> 00:48:56.042
those prioritizing that way is not for everybody.

1530
00:48:56.222 --> 00:48:56.663
But for me,

1531
00:48:56.963 --> 00:48:57.884
like I have to,

1532
00:48:59.005 --> 00:48:59.665
I just can't.

1533
00:49:00.368 --> 00:49:01.469
I can't live any other way.

1534
00:49:01.489 --> 00:49:06.032
I got to prioritize the things that I'm passionate about and find a way to supplement the rest,

1535
00:49:06.153 --> 00:49:09.755
find a way to pay the bills and feed the family and do those things.

1536
00:49:09.895 --> 00:49:10.116
Like,

1537
00:49:10.336 --> 00:49:10.576
you know,

1538
00:49:10.656 --> 00:49:11.557
there's a way to do it though.

1539
00:49:11.577 --> 00:49:12.357
There's always a way.

1540
00:49:12.718 --> 00:49:13.038
There is,

1541
00:49:13.378 --> 00:49:13.718
there is.

1542
00:49:13.779 --> 00:49:18.762
I think that's what Will and I are doing right now is trying to find a way to supplement this show for five fucking years.

1543
00:49:19.363 --> 00:49:20.944
It's slowly coming together,

1544
00:49:21.725 --> 00:49:22.665
slowly coming together,

1545
00:49:22.705 --> 00:49:23.286
but we love it.

1546
00:49:23.866 --> 00:49:24.027
Yeah.

1547
00:49:24.687 --> 00:49:25.528
And one thing I think that,

1548
00:49:25.648 --> 00:49:25.808
that,

1549
00:49:26.168 --> 00:49:26.869
and then we'll close.

1550
00:49:26.929 --> 00:49:27.349
It's like,

1551
00:49:27.449 --> 00:49:27.769
I think.

1552
00:49:28.204 --> 00:49:29.386
One thing that really helps people,

1553
00:49:29.406 --> 00:49:31.630
and we hear it more from a lot of the guests we have,

1554
00:49:31.631 --> 00:49:33.172
is like being around other people,

1555
00:49:33.272 --> 00:49:34.093
being around other men,

1556
00:49:34.634 --> 00:49:34.875
you know,

1557
00:49:34.895 --> 00:49:36.036
that are just help you to,

1558
00:49:36.277 --> 00:49:36.517
you know,

1559
00:49:36.557 --> 00:49:36.758
kind of...

1560
00:49:37.272 --> 00:49:54.506
check your thinking or provide inspiration you know let me know when maybe you're kind of fucking off and fucking off and not like you know heading the right direction um because i know that's been a part of my path too it's just being around other great men like like yourselves like i mean i'm in contact with john all the time and

1561
00:49:54.507 --> 00:50:06.515
we really help each other so no you need that you need you know leaders don't have to necessarily have a higher rank or you know be in a higher position but like you need people that you do look up to the way that they live their life.

1562
00:50:07.236 --> 00:50:09.776
you aspire to be more like them and you know,

1563
00:50:09.796 --> 00:50:11.076
they'll hold you accountable.

1564
00:50:11.096 --> 00:50:12.296
Like you don't have those people.

1565
00:50:13.116 --> 00:50:15.096
It's going to be real hard to do it on your own for sure.

1566
00:50:15.476 --> 00:50:15.656
Yeah.

1567
00:50:16.076 --> 00:50:16.196
Yeah.

1568
00:50:16.256 --> 00:50:17.136
Amen to that.

1569
00:50:17.156 --> 00:50:17.476
Amen to that.

1570
00:50:18.296 --> 00:50:18.416
Well,

1571
00:50:18.456 --> 00:50:18.736
Nate,

1572
00:50:19.196 --> 00:50:19.416
brother,

1573
00:50:19.456 --> 00:50:20.556
this has been fantastic.

1574
00:50:20.596 --> 00:50:21.496
Thank you so much for,

1575
00:50:21.636 --> 00:50:22.956
for sharing your stories,

1576
00:50:23.136 --> 00:50:27.456
for taking some time to practice some of your storytelling here or share some of your storytelling.

1577
00:50:27.496 --> 00:50:27.796
Rather.

1578
00:50:27.936 --> 00:50:29.016
We thoroughly enjoyed it,

1579
00:50:29.036 --> 00:50:29.296
man.

1580
00:50:29.536 --> 00:50:32.856
And love what you're doing all around with the making the movies with the MVP.

1581
00:50:33.636 --> 00:50:33.896
I mean,

1582
00:50:33.956 --> 00:50:34.156
with,

1583
00:50:34.196 --> 00:50:35.316
with everything that you're doing.

1584
00:50:35.336 --> 00:50:35.456
So.

1585
00:50:36.180 --> 00:50:37.982
I hope that next time we run into one another,

1586
00:50:38.522 --> 00:50:40.243
you don't give me COVID again,

1587
00:50:41.624 --> 00:50:41.865
which

1588
00:50:42.245 --> 00:50:42.926
I'll just leave.

1589
00:50:42.946 --> 00:50:45.908
I'll leave the audience with the fact that Nate gave me COVID.

1590
00:50:45.948 --> 00:50:47.749
I don't know whether that's true or not.

1591
00:50:47.989 --> 00:50:48.310
Theory.

1592
00:50:51.572 --> 00:50:52.453
Thank you for saying that,

1593
00:50:52.493 --> 00:50:52.733
Nate.

1594
00:50:52.813 --> 00:50:53.334
You know,

1595
00:50:53.335 --> 00:50:54.314
that sounds a little dramatic,

1596
00:50:54.354 --> 00:50:54.875
I got to say.

1597
00:50:56.456 --> 00:50:56.896
But anyway,

1598
00:50:56.976 --> 00:50:57.217
great,

1599
00:50:57.297 --> 00:50:57.917
great job,

1600
00:50:57.918 --> 00:50:58.057
man.

1601
00:50:58.077 --> 00:50:59.719
That's right.

1602
00:50:59.799 --> 00:51:00.159
That's right.

1603
00:51:02.341 --> 00:51:02.501
Yeah.

1604
00:51:02.876 --> 00:51:03.357
Good stuff,

1605
00:51:03.437 --> 00:51:03.697
man.

1606
00:51:03.817 --> 00:51:03.997
Will,

1607
00:51:04.017 --> 00:51:05.238
I'll turn it over to you to wrap it up.

1608
00:51:05.358 --> 00:51:05.478
No,

1609
00:51:05.979 --> 00:51:06.619
that's everything.

1610
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:06.979
Nate,

1611
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:08.521
it's so great to have you today.

1612
00:51:09.481 --> 00:51:10.262
Thank you for sharing.

1613
00:51:10.542 --> 00:51:19.809
I'm putting the work in the world and living a life of passion because I know just being around somebody that's living a life of passion can actually maybe ignite somebody else to move in that direction too.

1614
00:51:20.810 --> 00:51:21.991
You're a beacon of light for so many.

1615
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That's Nate Boyer,

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everybody.

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That's it.

1618
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Absolutely.

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All right,

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everyone.

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Thanks for joining us.

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Thank you,

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Nate.

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Pleasure,

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Nate.

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Until next time,

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everyone,

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take care.

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Bye-bye.

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Thank you for joining us today.

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We hope you walk away with some new tools and insights to guide you on your life journey.

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New episodes are being published every week,

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so please join us again for some meaningful discussion.

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For more information,

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please check out mentalkingmindfulness.com.