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Turning it on,

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there's no flag,

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it's Obrey It's a great chance Thierry O'Ree Well,

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Wilthorpe was up in support of it.

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He went for goal,

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saw the angle,

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he couldn't squeeze it in.

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Welcome to today's podcast where I'm joined by Greg and

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Stefan

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Henchoz. I'm going to say Henchoz,

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that's the way we say it in Glasgow.

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How do you say it?

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Hencho?

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Hencho,

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Henchoz.

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I like to say intro but thank you for coming along and joining us today it's a pleasure to have you here same,

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same thing very happy you were in Glasgow for a very small period of time right?

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yep

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I'm just curious,

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how did you find it?

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did you enjoy Glasgow?

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I enjoyed the city,

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I enjoyed the people and everything.

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And obviously Celtic being a big club,

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massive club,

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unfortunately,

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sporting-wise,

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it wasn't so good for me.

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maybe I wasn't ready,

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mentally really to come to the Scottish League and perform at my best.

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So I didn't play that much.

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and it was a bit disappointing you know in terms of like i said uh playing was i wasn't at my best but i still enjoyed my what four or five months uh in glasgow and like i said you know i had a i had a good time in the city and especially with the people in glasgow it's interesting yeah it's interesting steph because you said something you know about liverpool leaving liverpool to go to the scottish league but

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sometimes i think maybe doing

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our time,

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I'm speaking during 2004-2005,

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I think the league were pretty strong and sometimes you're not ready maybe to handle this type of expectation.

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Because playing for Liverpool,

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you've been a legend for Liverpool,

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you won so many trophies for Liverpool,

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starting every week in and week out.

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I think it's not easy.

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And what you said,

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I agree with you about this.

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I don't know if you now with the past,

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you were expecting maybe such demand from Celtic or not?

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I think from the outside,

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I knew Celtic was a very big club.

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maybe

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I was sort of disappointing.

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leaving Liverpool,

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it's not like I was happy to leave.

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I chose to leave because I wasn't playing on a regular basis anymore since Rafa Benitez arrived.

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And at this stage of my career,

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I thought,

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I'm too old just to sit on the bench and take my paycheck.

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So I wanted to play.

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when I spoke with Martin O'Neill,

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they were offering me this opportunity.

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I knew they were not

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competing in Europe anymore because they didn't qualify after Christmas.

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I started to play the first couple of games I played.

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But I had competition as a centre-back.

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We had Valde.

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big boy,

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Varga?

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Varga,

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to be honest,

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who were performing well for Celtic before I arrived.

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I would have to be better if I wanted to get as number one or number two as centre-backs.

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And I think I couldn't really manage to do that,

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unfortunately.

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probably after leaving Liverpool,

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I had a bit of a dip.

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And it wasn't my best period as a footballer,

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to be honest.

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but you're right.

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I think it's not easy when you're leaving a club like Liverpool.

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Because I left the same season like you.

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I just left in July when Rafa came during the first season.

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And it's not always easy when you have to go because of the demand from Liverpool,

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the expectation.

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it's always difficult.

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I was younger than you,

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I think you're...

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What you said is right.

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Bobo was strong.

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Varga also.

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So it was a big competition in the back end.

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What was the question you asked me to ask Stéphane?

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You ask.

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Do you remember,

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Stéphane?

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We had a chat story about Martin O'Neill,

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what he said about me at halftime during the game.

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Remember when I scored and we won,

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and he wasn't happy about my attitude,

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yeah.

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don't leave this fucking big name.

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Doing what he wants.

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to be honest,

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I was on the bench for the two derbies we played and we lost both of them.

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with Rangers you won at Celtic Park.

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I think the return,

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I can't remember when we played at Ibrox.

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I'm not sure of the result,

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but what I remember definitely is that we lost the title the last day of the season.

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Martin was not very pleased with the way we played in the derbies.

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to be honest,

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that the only one time he came on the first day,

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so three days after the game,

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and he just stopped the training.

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lads,

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everybody on the line.

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So we've done it six,

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seven times.

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The last time he said,

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everybody the same time,

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but two seconds less if one is not back.

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everybody has to do it again.

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I remember me wasn't very,

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very good physically.

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I had to make sure

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I'm back in time.

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I didn't want the whole team to have to do it again.

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both losing derbies against Rangers.

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Fun times.

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I want to talk about...

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uh your full career because celtic was only uh a very small part of it yeah um but just curious uh for for people to find out how it all started um back home but prior to going to blackburn and everything um

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want to talk a bit about the starting point of your career where you started did you come through the youth academy and what was it like yeah

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I think back these days,

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it wasn't like it is today with football.

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It was more about enjoying playing football in the park with your friends.

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you can hear kids dreaming about being a footballer or wanting to play in big clubs.

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it was only coming from a small village in Switzerland,

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enjoying football,

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playing with the friends.

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then you start to see that you're not bad.

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bigger clubs,

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you realize that maybe you can do something.

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I started to play with Xamax Neuchatel in Switzerland.

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Good club at the time.

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We were Swiss champions.

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We had a good team.

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and we are always competing and play in Europe every season.

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we played Celtic when I was at Xhamax in the UEFA Cup.

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We beat them.

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We beat them 5-1 at home and I think we lost

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So that's how it all started for me,

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playing for Xhamax Neuchâtel and then quite young with the

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Swiss national team,

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the A-Swiss national team.

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and then I had the chance to move abroad to Hamburg in the Bundesliga.

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So I played I think four seasons with Xhamax and then I went to Hamburg.

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Roy Hodgson,

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who knew me from my time with the Swiss national team,

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he brought me to Blackburn.

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how it happens.

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dreaming when I was a kid because I didn't think it would be possible for me to play at this level.

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it just happened like that.

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enjoying my football and then,

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having the abilities,

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to compete at this level.

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Did you always start out as a centre-half?

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not at all.

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I was playing midfield,

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but more like an attacking midfield,

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or even striker.

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definitely.

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But you just realise when I got older,

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I had the opportunity to play centre-back because it's very often the case that

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you had people missing at the back.

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They didn't have the money to replace them straight away.

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So what does the manager do?

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He looks for who could play at the back.

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I'm OK.

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I'm strong enough in the challenge,

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in the duel.

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I like that.

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I'm aggressive.

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And I started by accident to play as a centre-back.

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he's not bad.

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He's the guy.

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I didn't move anymore.

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I played as a centre-back,

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which was the best decision ever because as a midfield player,

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I would never,

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never have done the same career.

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oh,

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they want to play winger,

278
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they don't want to play full-back or they play midfield,

279
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they don't want to play centre-backs.

280
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I always tell them,

281
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you know,

282
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sometimes just accept that you may be not good enough to play forward or something,

283
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but you can make a career.

284
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It's not as sexy maybe playing centre-backs,

285
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but it's definitely worth it.

286
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So that's what happened with me.

287
00:11:02.834 --> 00:11:06.595
And how was the adaption to English football?

288
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Obviously coming from

289
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Switzerland and on to Germany to playing for Blackburn,

290
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was that a big step up in terms of physicality?

291
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Yeah,

292
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definitely.

293
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So moving from Switzerland to the Bundesliga,

294
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it was already harder.

295
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The demand and everything,

296
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better players,

297
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but physically.

298
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but when I moved from the Bundesliga to the Premier League,

299
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at first,

300
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wow,

301
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the adaptation.

302
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You think Bundesliga is quite a physical league.

303
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But when you compare to the Premier League,

304
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definitely back these days,

305
00:11:42.378 --> 00:11:43.459
it was something different.

306
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Obviously,

307
00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:47.681
the referee didn't give the fall they would give,

308
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you know,

309
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abroad in Europe.

310
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So at first,

311
00:11:50.183 --> 00:11:51.864
you think you're going to a challenge,

312
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you know,

313
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you fell on the floor.

314
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And you think,

315
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OK,

316
00:11:54.998 --> 00:11:57.199
the referee is going to give you a fall.

317
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No,

318
00:11:57.680 --> 00:11:57.799
no,

319
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no fall.

320
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Play on.

321
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So then you have to realise,

322
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oh,

323
00:12:02.301 --> 00:12:03.562
I'm in a different league.

324
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And you need to adapt.

325
00:12:06.075 --> 00:12:07.796
That's why I think some players,

326
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they can adapt.

327
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And some players,

328
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they just simply can't.

329
00:12:12.714 --> 00:12:13.174
Physically,

330
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the demand of the Premier League or the British football is different.

331
00:12:18.833 --> 00:12:20.955
And sometimes you do adapt,

332
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sometimes you don't.

333
00:12:21.816 --> 00:12:22.737
It took me maybe,

334
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yeah,

335
00:12:23.077 --> 00:12:25.567
I think two to three months to adapt.

336
00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:28.441
Then I realised I have to change my game.

337
00:12:28.482 --> 00:12:30.083
I have to be even more aggressive,

338
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physically stronger.

339
00:12:31.981 --> 00:12:33.982
And then

340
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I was OK.

341
00:12:37.020 --> 00:12:38.321
Did you ever come up against Dunk?

342
00:12:38.482 --> 00:12:38.642
Well,

343
00:12:38.643 --> 00:12:40.483
you must have come up against Dunk in Ferguson.

344
00:12:40.724 --> 00:12:41.184
Big Dunk,

345
00:12:41.604 --> 00:12:42.165
definitely.

346
00:12:42.166 --> 00:12:42.325
I love

347
00:12:43.206 --> 00:12:43.606
Big Dunk.

348
00:12:44.327 --> 00:12:44.927
Big Dunk

349
00:12:51.681 --> 00:12:56.545
Probably the strongest player I played against.

350
00:12:59.518 --> 00:13:00.379
Very physical.

351
00:13:01.280 --> 00:13:02.261
So strong in the air.

352
00:13:03.817 --> 00:13:07.840
I didn't win much challenge in the air against the big dunk.

353
00:13:08.941 --> 00:13:10.182
Using his elbow as well.

354
00:13:10.262 --> 00:13:11.443
But back at the time,

355
00:13:11.783 --> 00:13:12.184
you could.

356
00:13:14.109 --> 00:13:16.271
You got an elbow in the face,

357
00:13:17.592 --> 00:13:18.473
you were bleeding,

358
00:13:20.374 --> 00:13:22.315
but the game still carried on.

359
00:13:22.756 --> 00:13:23.556
Still carried on,

360
00:13:23.596 --> 00:13:24.917
you had blood on your shirt,

361
00:13:25.058 --> 00:13:25.718
no problem,

362
00:13:25.738 --> 00:13:25.978
you know.

363
00:13:25.979 --> 00:13:27.540
Do you remember that when we played

364
00:13:29.105 --> 00:13:30.726
Denkheim with Campbell at front?

365
00:13:31.294 --> 00:13:31.595
Yeah,

366
00:13:31.635 --> 00:13:31.755
yeah,

367
00:13:31.756 --> 00:13:31.855
yeah,

368
00:13:31.856 --> 00:13:32.495
against Everton,

369
00:13:33.608 --> 00:13:33.868
you know.

370
00:13:34.520 --> 00:13:35.101
Away from home,

371
00:13:35.102 --> 00:13:36.662
it was always a difficult game.

372
00:13:39.244 --> 00:13:40.025
It was a war.

373
00:13:40.026 --> 00:13:40.285
It was a war.

374
00:13:40.926 --> 00:13:43.007
before being a football match,

375
00:13:43.168 --> 00:13:43.968
if you remember,

376
00:13:44.068 --> 00:13:44.309
you know.

377
00:13:45.209 --> 00:13:46.530
Everton at Goodison,

378
00:13:46.951 --> 00:13:47.451
long ball,

379
00:13:47.551 --> 00:13:48.292
second ball,

380
00:13:48.752 --> 00:13:49.213
headers,

381
00:13:49.313 --> 00:13:49.873
throw-ins,

382
00:13:49.933 --> 00:13:50.454
everything,

383
00:13:50.534 --> 00:13:51.274
set pieces.

384
00:13:52.816 --> 00:13:52.976
Yeah,

385
00:13:52.977 --> 00:13:55.738
but that was the type of football we played.

386
00:13:56.218 --> 00:14:01.843
And it was definitely different than the game played in the Premier League these days.

387
00:14:03.648 --> 00:14:04.669
Yeah,

388
00:14:04.670 --> 00:14:06.611
I would hate to have come up against Duncan Ferguson.

389
00:14:09.381 --> 00:14:09.761
But yeah,

390
00:14:09.762 --> 00:14:10.822
I love him.

391
00:14:11.583 --> 00:14:17.208
So you obviously went to Blackburn and then you got your big move to

392
00:14:17.709 --> 00:14:19.290
Liverpool. How did that come about?

393
00:14:19.831 --> 00:14:23.046
Were you aware of their interest or did that come out the blue?

394
00:14:23.963 --> 00:14:24.083
No,

395
00:14:24.263 --> 00:14:25.184
I think

396
00:14:25.584 --> 00:14:27.066
I had two seasons at Blackburn.

397
00:14:27.146 --> 00:14:29.723
So the first season...

398
00:14:32.162 --> 00:14:33.043
I had a good season.

399
00:14:33.483 --> 00:14:34.724
It was under Roy Orton.

400
00:14:35.557 --> 00:14:35.837
And

401
00:14:36.417 --> 00:14:40.673
I remember this game when we played at Anfield with Blackburn against...

402
00:14:41.634 --> 00:14:44.196
And I was facing Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen.

403
00:14:44.316 --> 00:14:45.257
They were the two strikers.

404
00:14:46.085 --> 00:14:48.147
So I was playing at the back with Colin Hendry.

405
00:14:48.819 --> 00:14:51.041
Another legend,

406
00:14:51.081 --> 00:14:51.942
Scottish legend,

407
00:14:52.002 --> 00:14:52.583
Colin Hendry.

408
00:14:53.455 --> 00:14:55.517
And we had both a good game.

409
00:14:56.158 --> 00:14:57.118
We kept a clean sheet.

410
00:14:57.399 --> 00:14:58.940
So we drew nearly at Anfield.

411
00:14:59.180 --> 00:15:01.302
And I think that was the starting point.

412
00:15:02.227 --> 00:15:10.379
Gerard Houllier was the manager and he must have noticed this guy is not bad.

413
00:15:11.900 --> 00:15:18.170
That was the point when Liverpool started to follow me.

414
00:15:18.330 --> 00:15:20.372
In my second season at Blackburn,

415
00:15:20.573 --> 00:15:23.596
things became a bit more concrete.

416
00:15:23.896 --> 00:15:24.397
They came,

417
00:15:24.417 --> 00:15:25.298
they watched games.

418
00:15:26.194 --> 00:15:31.999
And then they came to this point when they got in touch with my agent.

419
00:15:33.420 --> 00:15:34.400
And from that point,

420
00:15:34.761 --> 00:15:35.201
obviously,

421
00:15:35.281 --> 00:15:36.962
when Liverpool is coming for you,

422
00:15:39.228 --> 00:15:40.429
that's where I wanted to go.

423
00:15:41.830 --> 00:15:49.195
So the things moved forward and I signed for Liverpool at the end of my second season with Blackburn.

424
00:15:49.196 --> 00:15:54.218
And when you first went to Liverpool,

425
00:15:55.270 --> 00:15:55.530
Obviously,

426
00:15:57.363 --> 00:16:00.203
that was probably a time where you weren't winning that many trophies.

427
00:16:00.243 --> 00:16:02.364
What was the big attraction to Liverpool at that point?

428
00:16:02.484 --> 00:16:05.129
You said that was the only place I wanted to go.

429
00:16:05.289 --> 00:16:07.625
Was it the history of the club?

430
00:16:08.285 --> 00:16:08.805
Yeah,

431
00:16:08.966 --> 00:16:10.786
it was still a massive club.

432
00:16:12.186 --> 00:16:17.188
Even though they were not winning that many trophies in the last few years before I went,

433
00:16:18.156 --> 00:16:19.156
it was still Liverpool,

434
00:16:19.157 --> 00:16:19.416
you know,

435
00:16:19.417 --> 00:16:21.037
it was still Anfield and everything.

436
00:16:21.577 --> 00:16:24.018
So when I came to the Premier League...

437
00:16:25.018 --> 00:16:25.839
that was already,

438
00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:26.640
you know,

439
00:16:26.760 --> 00:16:27.280
something,

440
00:16:28.749 --> 00:16:31.572
an achievement for me playing at this level.

441
00:16:31.672 --> 00:16:32.873
Blackburn was a big club,

442
00:16:32.933 --> 00:16:33.994
or not a big club,

443
00:16:33.995 --> 00:16:35.455
but a very good club at the time.

444
00:16:35.555 --> 00:16:37.778
They won the title two years before I arrived.

445
00:16:39.247 --> 00:16:40.748
But then Liverpool is another step,

446
00:16:40.808 --> 00:16:41.169
obviously.

447
00:16:42.045 --> 00:16:45.188
It's one of these clubs well-known all over the world.

448
00:16:46.966 --> 00:16:47.907
And you know the history.

449
00:16:48.527 --> 00:16:50.529
So that's why for me...

450
00:16:51.130 --> 00:16:52.151
playing for Liverpool.

451
00:16:52.551 --> 00:16:54.193
It's not something I was thinking,

452
00:16:54.513 --> 00:16:55.634
should I go there?

453
00:16:55.674 --> 00:16:57.636
Is there a better club or something like that?

454
00:16:58.564 --> 00:16:58.684
No,

455
00:16:59.585 --> 00:17:00.086
as soon as

456
00:17:00.906 --> 00:17:01.927
I could sign for them,

457
00:17:02.708 --> 00:17:03.689
that's what I wanted to do.

458
00:17:06.114 --> 00:17:07.275
And when you went to Liverpool,

459
00:17:07.335 --> 00:17:12.351
was there anyone there who took you under their wing and showed you about the club?

460
00:17:12.631 --> 00:17:15.153
Who was the guy that welcomed you to the club?

461
00:17:15.754 --> 00:17:15.914
Yeah,

462
00:17:15.974 --> 00:17:19.737
I think for me it was not easy because when I signed for Liverpool,

463
00:17:19.857 --> 00:17:20.298
Actually...

464
00:17:23.167 --> 00:17:26.088
It was three days after I went off the hospital.

465
00:17:27.009 --> 00:17:28.749
Because after the season at Blackburn,

466
00:17:28.769 --> 00:17:29.750
I had an operation,

467
00:17:29.790 --> 00:17:30.970
a groin injury I had.

468
00:17:31.290 --> 00:17:32.331
So a problem with the groin.

469
00:17:33.695 --> 00:17:33.815
So

470
00:17:34.415 --> 00:17:36.416
I had an operation right after the season.

471
00:17:37.917 --> 00:17:40.618
I knew I would be old for four to three months.

472
00:17:41.170 --> 00:17:42.351
So I signed for Liverpool.

473
00:17:42.391 --> 00:17:42.731
Actually,

474
00:17:42.811 --> 00:17:43.612
I was more or less,

475
00:17:43.912 --> 00:17:44.052
yeah,

476
00:17:44.072 --> 00:17:44.972
definitely injured.

477
00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:47.621
And when I got to Liverpool beginning of July,

478
00:17:47.661 --> 00:17:48.782
I couldn't train with the team.

479
00:17:49.042 --> 00:17:49.703
So I was,

480
00:17:50.483 --> 00:17:50.783
you know,

481
00:17:51.344 --> 00:17:52.345
away from the team.

482
00:17:52.465 --> 00:17:53.706
So you get to a new club,

483
00:17:54.230 --> 00:17:55.791
it's already not the easiest.

484
00:17:56.191 --> 00:17:58.053
And then obviously when you only train,

485
00:17:58.113 --> 00:17:58.373
you know,

486
00:17:58.433 --> 00:17:59.414
with the physios,

487
00:18:00.414 --> 00:18:01.315
you're not with the team,

488
00:18:01.495 --> 00:18:02.556
it's even more difficult.

489
00:18:03.208 --> 00:18:03.329
So

490
00:18:05.157 --> 00:18:07.099
I remember the player who helped me a lot,

491
00:18:07.239 --> 00:18:09.180
who was the club captain at the time,

492
00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:09.461
was

493
00:18:10.361 --> 00:18:10.962
Jamie Redknapp.

494
00:18:11.042 --> 00:18:11.610
You know,

495
00:18:12.050 --> 00:18:13.795
Jamie Redknapp always,

496
00:18:13.796 --> 00:18:14.116
you know,

497
00:18:14.276 --> 00:18:15.116
tried to ask,

498
00:18:15.197 --> 00:18:16.918
what are you doing and stuff like that.

499
00:18:17.162 --> 00:18:21.805
try to include me at lunch and stuff.

500
00:18:24.267 --> 00:18:27.009
That was a player who really helped me.

501
00:18:27.637 --> 00:18:29.278
Because I only made my debut,

502
00:18:29.318 --> 00:18:30.639
I think it was mid-October.

503
00:18:31.060 --> 00:18:38.164
So when you start training at the beginning of July and you make your debut only mid-October,

504
00:18:40.266 --> 00:18:42.948
it's a long time and it's not easy.

505
00:18:43.656 --> 00:18:44.977
But yeah,

506
00:18:44.978 --> 00:18:46.218
I would say Jamie helped me a lot.

507
00:18:47.498 --> 00:18:48.198
Jamie Redknapp,

508
00:18:48.499 --> 00:18:50.459
I forgot all about him being at Liverpool.

509
00:18:50.479 --> 00:18:51.220
He was a great player.

510
00:18:53.573 --> 00:18:53.953
But yeah,

511
00:18:54.313 --> 00:18:56.674
and obviously when you were at Liverpool,

512
00:18:56.734 --> 00:19:00.988
you're most famous for your pairing with Sammy Hippia.

513
00:19:02.100 --> 00:19:06.726
You said he was the best centre-half that you ever played alongside.

514
00:19:08.487 --> 00:19:11.792
What do you think made you two guys work so well together?

515
00:19:11.793 --> 00:19:15.690
Because you've obviously done an amazing job against some amazing players.

516
00:19:18.704 --> 00:19:18.885
Yeah,

517
00:19:19.366 --> 00:19:20.147
it's just,

518
00:19:20.347 --> 00:19:20.608
you know,

519
00:19:20.648 --> 00:19:26.421
we played the first time together in a game at Aston Villa away.

520
00:19:27.330 --> 00:19:32.770
So that was the first time we played together and we kept a clean sheet.

521
00:19:34.335 --> 00:19:36.356
it clicked straight away.

522
00:19:36.797 --> 00:19:38.297
We didn't have to talk that much,

523
00:19:38.337 --> 00:19:38.617
you know,

524
00:19:38.637 --> 00:19:39.218
to be honest,

525
00:19:39.358 --> 00:19:41.179
only a few words and things like that.

526
00:19:41.931 --> 00:19:53.700
And his game and my game was something that the connection sometimes difficult to explain why you connect well with somebody or why the game connect well.

527
00:19:55.977 --> 00:19:57.577
But I think he was very,

528
00:19:57.657 --> 00:19:59.098
very good in the air,

529
00:19:59.818 --> 00:20:00.899
much better than myself,

530
00:20:00.959 --> 00:20:01.599
to be honest.

531
00:20:02.927 --> 00:20:06.428
So it's something like he was going for the header,

532
00:20:06.668 --> 00:20:08.429
for the long ball and stuff like that.

533
00:20:09.069 --> 00:20:10.030
I was covering,

534
00:20:10.210 --> 00:20:14.151
I was trying to read the game and covering him.

535
00:20:16.820 --> 00:20:23.002
And I think it was a combination who just was working very well right from the start.

536
00:20:24.402 --> 00:20:25.170
Yeah,

537
00:20:25.171 --> 00:20:27.331
I always remember we're talking about Duncan Ferguson.

538
00:20:28.035 --> 00:20:28.915
He was asked who...

539
00:20:30.427 --> 00:20:31.988
His most difficult opponent was,

540
00:20:31.989 --> 00:20:34.650
and I think Sammy Hippier was up there,

541
00:20:34.651 --> 00:20:35.111
he says.

542
00:20:35.847 --> 00:20:37.188
Couldn't get the better of that guy.

543
00:20:37.648 --> 00:20:37.768
So,

544
00:20:37.989 --> 00:20:38.429
yes,

545
00:20:39.742 --> 00:20:41.183
he was obviously very good in there.

546
00:20:41.823 --> 00:20:42.404
Do you think,

547
00:20:44.073 --> 00:20:46.094
obviously now in today's day and age,

548
00:20:46.731 --> 00:20:50.233
defenders are expected to play more like midfielders and stuff like that.

549
00:20:50.737 --> 00:20:56.505
Do you think you guys would have been able to handle today's environment?

550
00:20:56.985 --> 00:20:58.915
Because you were quite aggressive.

551
00:20:59.495 --> 00:21:18.595
stuff like that but you know real fair than that or not even real fair man but other i think the defending side of things has changed a lot and uh people expected to do more with the ball rather than the good old-fashioned stuff that you guys done yeah i agree with you back at the time it was more about defending only and

552
00:21:18.655 --> 00:21:28.287
uh no problem if you would kick the ball in the stand to be honest yeah then it becomes uh like central backs have to play from the back

553
00:21:28.719 --> 00:21:30.700
So they have to be comfortable on the ball.

554
00:21:32.301 --> 00:21:37.083
And when it came to a stage when it was more or less more important,

555
00:21:37.443 --> 00:21:39.964
sometimes that the guy is playing well from the back,

556
00:21:40.384 --> 00:21:40.684
you know,

557
00:21:40.724 --> 00:21:42.605
so he can hit the balls,

558
00:21:42.606 --> 00:21:43.646
he can break lines,

559
00:21:43.966 --> 00:21:45.587
he can come out from the back,

560
00:21:45.667 --> 00:21:45.967
you know,

561
00:21:46.127 --> 00:21:47.707
dribbling the ball and stuff like that.

562
00:21:49.352 --> 00:21:50.533
But then you realize,

563
00:21:51.665 --> 00:21:54.346
and it's late again lately in the last,

564
00:21:54.446 --> 00:21:54.746
you know,

565
00:21:55.226 --> 00:21:56.147
four or five years.

566
00:21:57.283 --> 00:22:02.365
You come again to a point where you realise the guy who is only able to play from the back and stuff,

567
00:22:02.405 --> 00:22:05.106
but costs you every game one or two goals,

568
00:22:05.286 --> 00:22:07.367
and you concede every game two to three goals,

569
00:22:08.124 --> 00:22:09.244
it's not really what you want.

570
00:22:09.824 --> 00:22:09.944
So

571
00:22:10.929 --> 00:22:12.769
I think we are again now,

572
00:22:13.069 --> 00:22:14.946
and clubs and coaches,

573
00:22:15.006 --> 00:22:15.526
managers,

574
00:22:15.566 --> 00:22:20.528
they are again now looking for proper defenders,

575
00:22:20.769 --> 00:22:21.749
proper centre-backs,

576
00:22:23.518 --> 00:22:23.638
who,

577
00:22:23.878 --> 00:22:24.138
yes,

578
00:22:24.538 --> 00:22:25.619
can play from the back.

579
00:22:27.679 --> 00:22:29.580
It's not the most important thing anymore.

580
00:22:30.080 --> 00:22:30.821
Now it's again,

581
00:22:30.822 --> 00:22:31.081
you know,

582
00:22:31.141 --> 00:22:31.621
you take,

583
00:22:31.801 --> 00:22:32.082
you know,

584
00:22:32.522 --> 00:22:33.042
Van Dijk,

585
00:22:33.562 --> 00:22:34.243
Opa Meccano,

586
00:22:35.563 --> 00:22:36.684
they are proper defenders.

587
00:22:36.744 --> 00:22:36.944
Yeah,

588
00:22:36.984 --> 00:22:38.105
they can play from the back,

589
00:22:38.605 --> 00:22:41.007
but they don't do incredible things where they fit.

590
00:22:42.091 --> 00:22:42.411
First,

591
00:22:42.431 --> 00:22:45.761
they are proper defenders and strong,

592
00:22:46.121 --> 00:22:46.381
you know,

593
00:22:46.501 --> 00:22:46.762
quick.

594
00:22:47.494 --> 00:22:47.834
And,

595
00:22:48.655 --> 00:22:48.895
you know,

596
00:22:48.995 --> 00:22:49.475
that's what,

597
00:22:50.083 --> 00:22:50.444
again,

598
00:22:50.524 --> 00:22:53.065
now it's coming back to this type of defenders.

599
00:22:54.241 --> 00:22:54.581
Yeah,

600
00:22:54.582 --> 00:22:55.562
I think you're right,

601
00:22:55.862 --> 00:22:56.202
Steph,

602
00:22:56.203 --> 00:22:57.123
when talking about this.

603
00:22:57.243 --> 00:23:00.421
because we spoke many times about the foundation,

604
00:23:01.105 --> 00:23:02.266
the foundation from the back,

605
00:23:02.366 --> 00:23:02.986
and be solid,

606
00:23:03.066 --> 00:23:03.526
compact.

607
00:23:04.699 --> 00:23:06.1000
And you maybe remember every time

608
00:23:08.197 --> 00:23:08.397
Phil.

609
00:23:09.413 --> 00:23:10.634
Yeah, of course.

610
00:23:10.834 --> 00:23:11.815
He was saying to us,

611
00:23:12.095 --> 00:23:12.815
no risk at the back.

612
00:23:12.816 --> 00:23:13.796
No risk at the back.

613
00:23:14.256 --> 00:23:18.118
That's what we've heard before every single game.

614
00:23:18.498 --> 00:23:18.859
Correct.

615
00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:20.800
Every time the same message in the dressing room.

616
00:23:20.900 --> 00:23:22.481
And you spoke about you and Sammy,

617
00:23:22.561 --> 00:23:23.782
about your relationship.

618
00:23:24.378 --> 00:23:24.738
Yep.

619
00:23:24.758 --> 00:23:26.279
And because I was a fullback.

620
00:23:27.208 --> 00:23:27.328
So

621
00:23:27.888 --> 00:23:29.149
I was connected with this guy,

622
00:23:29.169 --> 00:23:29.449
you know,

623
00:23:29.549 --> 00:23:31.831
and two different profiles.

624
00:23:31.991 --> 00:23:35.394
But it works really well because we had two smart players.

625
00:23:35.734 --> 00:23:35.894
Yeah.

626
00:23:36.667 --> 00:23:38.909
Smart player one because they know each other really well.

627
00:23:39.637 --> 00:23:39.897
And

628
00:23:40.238 --> 00:23:41.319
Stefan spoke about,

629
00:23:41.339 --> 00:23:41.619
you know,

630
00:23:42.439 --> 00:23:43.901
Sammy were playing the long ball.

631
00:23:43.961 --> 00:23:46.463
Steph was around to cover the communication.

632
00:23:46.483 --> 00:23:48.605
The small detail from the game was amazing.

633
00:23:48.865 --> 00:23:48.985
Yeah.

634
00:23:49.445 --> 00:23:53.829
And that's why we won Summit Trophy because they played so,

635
00:23:53.969 --> 00:23:55.250
and they were so strong at the back.

636
00:23:55.530 --> 00:23:55.891
Yeah.

637
00:23:56.647 --> 00:23:57.027
And now,

638
00:23:57.187 --> 00:23:59.768
I think now because of the animation of the game,

639
00:23:59.769 --> 00:23:59.949
you know,

640
00:23:59.950 --> 00:24:01.969
you want to see a four or five become a six play,

641
00:24:01.989 --> 00:24:02.250
you know,

642
00:24:02.330 --> 00:24:03.290
play from the back three.

643
00:24:03.906 --> 00:24:04.026
So,

644
00:24:04.186 --> 00:24:04.807
but I think now,

645
00:24:04.867 --> 00:24:05.027
yeah,

646
00:24:05.147 --> 00:24:05.487
and

647
00:24:06.327 --> 00:24:08.088
I think to become solid again,

648
00:24:08.388 --> 00:24:10.269
I think it's part of the project,

649
00:24:10.270 --> 00:24:10.509
you know,

650
00:24:10.729 --> 00:24:10.969
I mean,

651
00:24:11.190 --> 00:24:12.190
from what I see from the game.

652
00:24:12.191 --> 00:24:12.830
Yeah.

653
00:24:14.639 --> 00:24:19.617
Something else we need to talk about during your career was the incident,

654
00:24:22.518 --> 00:24:25.091
the FA Cup final versus Arsenal.

655
00:24:25.111 --> 00:24:25.291
Yeah.

656
00:24:27.941 --> 00:24:32.727
that's obviously something you're very famous for was that a penalty?

657
00:24:35.208 --> 00:24:35.768
Definitely,

658
00:24:35.888 --> 00:24:37.309
these days with the VAR,

659
00:24:39.529 --> 00:24:41.010
there would have been no escape.

660
00:24:41.870 --> 00:24:44.491
There would have been a penalty and probably a red card.

661
00:24:46.643 --> 00:24:47.043
But yeah,

662
00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:48.400
you know,

663
00:24:48.460 --> 00:24:49.220
20 years ago,

664
00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:54.861
you had no VAR and you could have got away with this type of incident.

665
00:24:54.901 --> 00:24:55.542
But obviously,

666
00:24:55.642 --> 00:24:55.862
yes,

667
00:24:56.242 --> 00:24:59.303
I made myself big on the goal line,

668
00:24:59.703 --> 00:25:00.563
trying to block

669
00:25:01.383 --> 00:25:02.644
Thierry Zanri's shot.

670
00:25:03.924 --> 00:25:04.104
Yeah,

671
00:25:04.105 --> 00:25:04.484
the ball

672
00:25:04.1000 --> 00:25:05.220
hit,

673
00:25:06.341 --> 00:25:06.881
I would say,

674
00:25:07.201 --> 00:25:07.361
yeah,

675
00:25:07.841 --> 00:25:08.362
my elbow,

676
00:25:08.762 --> 00:25:10.142
but I made myself big.

677
00:25:12.423 --> 00:25:16.345
And these days it would have been a penalty after a VAR review.

678
00:25:16.525 --> 00:25:16.665
Yeah,

679
00:25:16.745 --> 00:25:17.225
definitely.

680
00:25:17.665 --> 00:25:18.446
It wasn't on purpose,

681
00:25:18.506 --> 00:25:19.286
Steph.

682
00:25:19.287 --> 00:25:19.446
Yeah,

683
00:25:19.466 --> 00:25:19.646
yeah,

684
00:25:19.647 --> 00:25:19.766
yeah.

685
00:25:19.806 --> 00:25:20.346
Like I said,

686
00:25:20.727 --> 00:25:25.609
I just made myself big and the ball went to hit my arm or my elbow.

687
00:25:26.109 --> 00:25:26.229
So,

688
00:25:27.661 --> 00:25:27.922
yeah,

689
00:25:27.923 --> 00:25:29.422
I got away with it and

690
00:25:29.982 --> 00:25:31.423
I've been lucky.

691
00:25:31.643 --> 00:25:32.704
And as a team,

692
00:25:32.744 --> 00:25:33.544
we've been a bit lucky.

693
00:25:35.582 --> 00:25:38.224
And we all know how he ended up.

694
00:25:39.605 --> 00:25:43.569
We won the cup with a double from Michael Owen the last four minutes.

695
00:25:45.142 --> 00:25:46.827
And around that instant,

696
00:25:46.887 --> 00:25:49.670
did Thierry Henry say anything to you after that?

697
00:25:52.367 --> 00:25:52.487
No.

698
00:25:52.647 --> 00:25:52.768
No,

699
00:25:52.769 --> 00:25:53.288
he didn't.

700
00:25:53.308 --> 00:25:54.229
He didn't ask,

701
00:25:54.629 --> 00:25:56.671
did you touch the ball or anything like that?

702
00:25:57.888 --> 00:25:58.008
No,

703
00:25:58.469 --> 00:25:59.189
He didn't ask me,

704
00:26:00.082 --> 00:26:00.202
no.

705
00:26:01.074 --> 00:26:02.596
And would you say that match...

706
00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.219
was one of your most memorable parts of being at Liverpool?

707
00:26:07.220 --> 00:26:07.819
Yeah.

708
00:26:08.399 --> 00:26:09.981
That would have been the first trophy for a while,

709
00:26:10.081 --> 00:26:10.301
right?

710
00:26:10.741 --> 00:26:10.861
No,

711
00:26:10.961 --> 00:26:14.464
it was the second because we won the League Cup in February.

712
00:26:16.209 --> 00:26:16.369
Yeah,

713
00:26:16.469 --> 00:26:17.429
we won the League Cup.

714
00:26:17.810 --> 00:26:19.811
And then a couple of months later,

715
00:26:19.911 --> 00:26:20.792
we won the FA Cup.

716
00:26:20.872 --> 00:26:21.332
But for me,

717
00:26:21.333 --> 00:26:23.245
that was at Cardiff.

718
00:26:24.506 --> 00:26:25.427
Both at Cardiff.

719
00:26:26.780 --> 00:26:27.100
For me,

720
00:26:29.333 --> 00:26:30.514
that was the best memory.

721
00:26:31.335 --> 00:26:31.575
Why?

722
00:26:31.675 --> 00:26:32.856
Because as a kid,

723
00:26:33.404 --> 00:26:36.605
We didn't have international football on TV,

724
00:26:37.258 --> 00:26:38.318
at least in Switzerland.

725
00:26:39.250 --> 00:26:40.191
Nothing at all.

726
00:26:40.631 --> 00:26:42.712
But the only game we had,

727
00:26:43.032 --> 00:26:44.112
that was once a year,

728
00:26:44.172 --> 00:26:46.817
the FA Cup final on the national TV.

729
00:26:47.550 --> 00:26:48.390
So as a kid,

730
00:26:48.430 --> 00:26:53.220
I remember growing up watching every year the FA Cup final,

731
00:26:53.320 --> 00:26:54.260
Saturday afternoon,

732
00:26:54.360 --> 00:26:55.741
four o'clock in Switzerland,

733
00:26:55.801 --> 00:26:57.101
four o'clock in England.

734
00:26:58.390 --> 00:27:00.091
And I was watching that thinking,

735
00:27:00.171 --> 00:27:00.391
wow,

736
00:27:01.243 --> 00:27:02.944
that's something incredible.

737
00:27:03.624 --> 00:27:04.364
And then maybe

738
00:27:04.825 --> 00:27:06.926
15 years later or 10 years later,

739
00:27:07.386 --> 00:27:11.688
I found myself playing in this competition and lifting the trophy.

740
00:27:12.412 --> 00:27:13.813
So when you think about that,

741
00:27:15.533 --> 00:27:15.673
yeah,

742
00:27:16.426 --> 00:27:17.046
best memory

743
00:27:17.466 --> 00:27:17.786
I had,

744
00:27:17.806 --> 00:27:18.406
to be honest.

745
00:27:20.103 --> 00:27:21.423
It's always good to win trophies.

746
00:27:21.443 --> 00:27:22.824
I'm sure you were in the squad at that time.

747
00:27:22.844 --> 00:27:23.124
Yes,

748
00:27:23.125 --> 00:27:24.845
I was in the squad at that time.

749
00:27:24.846 --> 00:27:24.965
Oh,

750
00:27:25.005 --> 00:27:26.105
you were a roommate?

751
00:27:26.666 --> 00:27:28.366
Yeah,

752
00:27:28.367 --> 00:27:28.446
yeah,

753
00:27:28.447 --> 00:27:28.887
a roommate.

754
00:27:29.607 --> 00:27:31.068
And do you remember we had this story about,

755
00:27:31.069 --> 00:27:31.328
you know,

756
00:27:31.348 --> 00:27:31.468
the...

757
00:27:32.372 --> 00:27:57.189
the incident in america you know whether before the i think it was before the champions the game it was before the first grames group stage against boyar vista all right yeah yeah because it was my first championship game and i was with stephen simon yeah i've got some history to to to yeah carry on yeah but we can talk about your stories are probably better uh no

758
00:27:57.190 --> 00:27:59.407
i'm only joking um so

759
00:28:00.047 --> 00:28:00.387
Obviously,

760
00:28:01.408 --> 00:28:02.389
You won the FA Cup,

761
00:28:02.409 --> 00:28:05.046
but what about the UEFA Cup final as well?

762
00:28:05.386 --> 00:28:07.728
That was obviously another memorable game.

763
00:28:08.756 --> 00:28:10.377
Obviously a high scoreline as well.

764
00:28:10.958 --> 00:28:12.298
You were in that squad,

765
00:28:12.338 --> 00:28:12.499
right?

766
00:28:12.659 --> 00:28:12.779
Yes,

767
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:13.119
correct.

768
00:28:13.259 --> 00:28:13.439
Yeah,

769
00:28:14.300 --> 00:28:15.020
5-4.

770
00:28:15.712 --> 00:28:15.852
Yeah.

771
00:28:15.993 --> 00:28:16.613
Gary Mack scored.

772
00:28:18.030 --> 00:28:19.030
Gary Mack scoring.

773
00:28:22.392 --> 00:28:25.974
It was the fifth goal and it was the golden goal.

774
00:28:26.454 --> 00:28:29.236
So the game stopped after that.

775
00:28:29.656 --> 00:28:31.217
So this was this rule.

776
00:28:31.517 --> 00:28:32.798
We didn't last for long.

777
00:28:33.679 --> 00:28:36.301
But when you went to extra time,

778
00:28:36.341 --> 00:28:37.201
they had this rule,

779
00:28:37.462 --> 00:28:38.062
golden goal.

780
00:28:38.482 --> 00:28:39.623
If a team scores a goal,

781
00:28:41.424 --> 00:28:41.965
it stopped.

782
00:28:42.145 --> 00:28:46.628
And it happened for us because Gary Mack scored his free kick where nobody touched the ball.

783
00:28:47.897 --> 00:28:48.798
And we won the game.

784
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:49.958
But the funny thing was,

785
00:28:50.059 --> 00:28:50.879
before the game,

786
00:28:50.999 --> 00:28:57.420
everybody was saying it will be the most boring final ever because obviously we...

787
00:28:58.380 --> 00:28:59.561
The game we played before,

788
00:28:59.562 --> 00:29:01.041
we didn't score that many goals.

789
00:29:01.081 --> 00:29:02.282
There were a lot of nil,

790
00:29:02.502 --> 00:29:02.662
nil,

791
00:29:02.742 --> 00:29:02.962
nil,

792
00:29:03.102 --> 00:29:03.422
one nil.

793
00:29:04.947 --> 00:29:05.687
We were quite,

794
00:29:05.747 --> 00:29:06.207
I would say,

795
00:29:06.287 --> 00:29:07.568
compact and defensive.

796
00:29:08.380 --> 00:29:09.861
And we played Alaves,

797
00:29:09.881 --> 00:29:11.341
who were not also,

798
00:29:11.481 --> 00:29:11.762
you know,

799
00:29:11.763 --> 00:29:12.902
the most attractive team.

800
00:29:12.962 --> 00:29:14.403
So everybody was saying,

801
00:29:14.523 --> 00:29:15.263
I'll be boring.

802
00:29:15.264 --> 00:29:18.653
Yeah,

803
00:29:18.654 --> 00:29:19.213
but with good players,

804
00:29:19.214 --> 00:29:19.333
Steph,

805
00:29:19.334 --> 00:29:20.173
if you remember the squad.

806
00:29:20.174 --> 00:29:20.573
Very good.

807
00:29:20.574 --> 00:29:20.673
Yeah,

808
00:29:20.674 --> 00:29:20.774
yeah.

809
00:29:20.775 --> 00:29:20.814
No,

810
00:29:20.815 --> 00:29:20.874
no,

811
00:29:20.875 --> 00:29:23.275
Alaves had a very good team and good strikers,

812
00:29:23.995 --> 00:29:24.735
I can tell you.

813
00:29:25.416 --> 00:29:25.656
And...

814
00:29:26.781 --> 00:29:30.554
And you had a nine goals thriller in this game.

815
00:29:30.614 --> 00:29:32.461
So everybody remember this game.

816
00:29:33.234 --> 00:29:33.676
What a night.

817
00:29:35.722 --> 00:29:41.248
And how the hell did you go from having such a compact team to losing four goals in the final?

818
00:29:42.044 --> 00:29:44.771
Was it you just underestimated them?

819
00:29:45.011 --> 00:29:45.491
Probably.

820
00:29:46.053 --> 00:29:46.553
Probably.

821
00:29:47.113 --> 00:29:48.014
That's my opinion.

822
00:29:48.554 --> 00:29:50.997
I think we were 2-0 up after 20 minutes.

823
00:29:52.048 --> 00:30:08.295
quite easily if I remember and then you know you think ah in your head it's only Alaves we beat Barcelona in the summit only Alaves two nil up nearly too easy and then just before half time they

824
00:30:08.335 --> 00:30:19.184
scored 2-1 from across I remember then we scored a 3-1 so again we went into the dressing room at half five thinking yeah three one up

825
00:30:20.608 --> 00:30:21.469
Not much can happen.

826
00:30:22.173 --> 00:30:25.896
Then we came back after the tee and straight away they scored 3-2,

827
00:30:26.036 --> 00:30:26.477
3-3,

828
00:30:26.577 --> 00:30:26.777
bong,

829
00:30:26.797 --> 00:30:27.017
bong.

830
00:30:27.842 --> 00:30:29.183
And then the game was on.

831
00:30:29.683 --> 00:30:30.884
Then we scored 4-3,

832
00:30:30.924 --> 00:30:32.666
they came back to 4-4 and then,

833
00:30:32.906 --> 00:30:33.146
you know,

834
00:30:33.266 --> 00:30:34.067
went to extra time.

835
00:30:35.255 --> 00:30:37.100
Yeah.

836
00:30:37.101 --> 00:30:38.981
That was good memories.

837
00:30:41.822 --> 00:30:42.123
From,

838
00:30:43.724 --> 00:30:44.024
obviously,

839
00:30:44.064 --> 00:30:44.985
your Liverpool career,

840
00:30:44.986 --> 00:30:48.800
I want to talk about some of the guys you played in that Liverpool team with.

841
00:30:49.192 --> 00:31:01.239
and we'll get some of your stories from the dressing room as well but you talk about Gary McAllister another Scottish legend and he must he must have been about 40 at that time right playing in that team he was an old guy

842
00:31:01.579 --> 00:31:04.346
37 maybe no 37.

843
00:31:05.442 --> 00:31:16.404
I don't think I don't think he was that old I don't think no such as you might be right here you mean we need to double check I'm not sure yeah but how important was he to that team

844
00:31:17.800 --> 00:31:18.121
First,

845
00:31:18.161 --> 00:31:18.441
for me,

846
00:31:18.442 --> 00:31:19.661
he was a very good player.

847
00:31:20.614 --> 00:31:21.214
With the ball,

848
00:31:21.574 --> 00:31:22.175
technically,

849
00:31:23.195 --> 00:31:25.076
being able to play short,

850
00:31:25.156 --> 00:31:25.877
long passes.

851
00:31:26.257 --> 00:31:29.879
He still had the power to run forward with the ball,

852
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:30.839
the acceleration.

853
00:31:32.708 --> 00:31:34.329
He had a great right foot.

854
00:31:34.429 --> 00:31:40.152
It was very important that at the time he had the experience.

855
00:31:40.312 --> 00:31:41.173
He had the leadership.

856
00:31:41.233 --> 00:31:42.234
He was a proper leader.

857
00:31:42.714 --> 00:31:46.536
He had the leadership and I think he helped a lot Steven Gerrard in his career.

858
00:31:46.860 --> 00:31:52.044
Because Steven Gerrard was still a young player when you look back at

859
00:31:52.824 --> 00:31:54.966
2001, 2000.

860
00:31:55.966 --> 00:31:56.647
And Gary Mack,

861
00:31:56.687 --> 00:31:57.007
you know,

862
00:31:57.267 --> 00:31:59.965
the partnership worked very well.

863
00:32:00.025 --> 00:32:01.987
And Gary Mack helped Steven Gerrard,

864
00:32:02.087 --> 00:32:02.547
I think,

865
00:32:02.707 --> 00:32:05.049
quite a lot in the early days of his career.

866
00:32:05.993 --> 00:32:09.263
I think it was a really great and smart signing from Gerrard.

867
00:32:09.323 --> 00:32:09.463
Yeah,

868
00:32:09.944 --> 00:32:11.581
I agree.

869
00:32:11.582 --> 00:32:16.224
You look back and you have a look at the squad because he won the Premier League with Leeds.

870
00:32:16.524 --> 00:32:32.448
you know yeah he's got a striker and eric canton have big players also and uh and i agree with you i think he what a great you know guy um technically top class even for the corners set place you know and uh but

871
00:32:33.008 --> 00:32:40.130
i think he was a really really good signing from jerome yeah you know for the for the process and the project just surprising one but he done really,

872
00:32:40.170 --> 00:32:43.147
really well from what I remember anyway.

873
00:32:45.008 --> 00:32:46.088
And it's got some

874
00:32:46.288 --> 00:32:48.212
important goal,

875
00:32:48.213 --> 00:32:48.312
Steph.

876
00:32:48.313 --> 00:32:51.874
You remember this goal he scored against Everton at Goodison?

877
00:32:52.434 --> 00:32:52.674
Yes.

878
00:32:52.974 --> 00:32:54.074
Again with a free kick.

879
00:32:54.075 --> 00:32:55.258
Clever.

880
00:32:55.259 --> 00:32:56.539
Last kick of the game.

881
00:32:56.540 --> 00:33:01.980
He's rushing on the right-hand side and he played the ball over the right-hand side.

882
00:33:02.020 --> 00:33:02.400
Exactly.

883
00:33:02.401 --> 00:33:03.269
So,

884
00:33:03.270 --> 00:33:03.449
yeah,

885
00:33:04.297 --> 00:33:04.617
you know,

886
00:33:05.477 --> 00:33:05.657
it's...

887
00:33:05.658 --> 00:33:06.177
And he scored.

888
00:33:06.758 --> 00:33:07.618
I think he scored.

889
00:33:07.619 --> 00:33:09.898
Who scored the penalty in the semi-final,

890
00:33:09.918 --> 00:33:11.839
the return leg against Barcelona?

891
00:33:11.979 --> 00:33:12.099
So,

892
00:33:12.139 --> 00:33:14.740
we drew nil-nil the first leg and then...

893
00:33:15.272 --> 00:33:19.793
And then we had this penalty after 10 minutes in the return leg.

894
00:33:20.346 --> 00:33:22.502
I think Gary Mack scored on the penalty.

895
00:33:25.155 --> 00:33:25.435
Obviously,

896
00:33:25.935 --> 00:33:26.595
you played with

897
00:33:27.035 --> 00:33:28.156
Mike Colon and everything,

898
00:33:29.176 --> 00:33:29.956
Steven Gerrard,

899
00:33:30.016 --> 00:33:30.737
Jamie Carragher,

900
00:33:31.097 --> 00:33:37.395
but was there anyone in that squad that you felt was quite underrated in that squad as well?

901
00:33:37.927 --> 00:33:39.947
They didn't maybe get the credit they deserved?

902
00:33:45.188 --> 00:33:45.928
Underrated?

903
00:33:47.053 --> 00:33:50.182
Maybe Emilowski for the work he was doing for the team.

904
00:33:51.475 --> 00:33:54.396
Michael Owen obviously has been Ballon d'Or and everything,

905
00:33:54.557 --> 00:33:55.317
scoring goals.

906
00:33:55.837 --> 00:33:56.678
I think Emil,

907
00:33:57.418 --> 00:34:00.039
I remember playing against him once at Blackburn,

908
00:34:00.040 --> 00:34:04.241
he was playing for Leicester.

909
00:34:04.921 --> 00:34:05.842
Very strong player,

910
00:34:05.962 --> 00:34:06.262
quick,

911
00:34:06.702 --> 00:34:07.343
powerful,

912
00:34:07.703 --> 00:34:08.603
great in the air,

913
00:34:09.004 --> 00:34:09.544
great shot.

914
00:34:10.252 --> 00:34:14.334
Difficult to play against when he played for Liverpool,

915
00:34:14.435 --> 00:34:14.735
for me.

916
00:34:16.596 --> 00:34:17.056
Same thing,

917
00:34:17.096 --> 00:34:19.557
he's done a tremendous job for the team.

918
00:34:19.738 --> 00:34:20.778
He was pressing,

919
00:34:20.798 --> 00:34:21.959
he was making the run,

920
00:34:21.979 --> 00:34:23.640
he was good in the air,

921
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:25.381
winning the flick-ons.

922
00:34:25.401 --> 00:34:25.941
And I think

923
00:34:26.702 --> 00:34:28.483
Michael Owen got a lot of credit,

924
00:34:28.563 --> 00:34:29.243
which is normal.

925
00:34:29.543 --> 00:34:30.504
He was a top player,

926
00:34:30.604 --> 00:34:31.204
but I think

927
00:34:31.664 --> 00:34:34.806
Emilowski was a big part of the success and the team.

928
00:34:34.807 --> 00:34:35.386
I think that's a fear.

929
00:34:40.325 --> 00:34:40.665
answer.

930
00:34:42.483 --> 00:34:42.623
Now,

931
00:34:42.724 --> 00:34:44.586
obviously you guys were teammates,

932
00:34:45.027 --> 00:34:46.625
roommates and everything.

933
00:34:46.626 --> 00:34:48.788
Is there any crazy stories that you can share?

934
00:34:49.399 --> 00:34:49.679
from your...

935
00:34:50.099 --> 00:34:50.940
Crazy story though,

936
00:34:50.941 --> 00:34:55.982
I don't know if we can speak about it.

937
00:34:55.983 --> 00:34:58.343
You couldn't get crazy at Liverpool under

938
00:34:58.683 --> 00:34:59.303
Gerrard, would you?

939
00:34:59.363 --> 00:34:59.924
Yeah,

940
00:34:59.925 --> 00:35:00.844
it was difficult.

941
00:35:04.065 --> 00:35:06.806
There were no whisky in the minibar.

942
00:35:06.847 --> 00:35:09.388
Yeah,

943
00:35:09.389 --> 00:35:09.428
no,

944
00:35:09.429 --> 00:35:09.828
nothing at all.

945
00:35:09.829 --> 00:35:09.988
Gerrard,

946
00:35:09.989 --> 00:35:11.969
I think Gerrard came with an idea to change,

947
00:35:11.970 --> 00:35:12.229
you know,

948
00:35:12.289 --> 00:35:13.970
the mentality and the process,

949
00:35:13.990 --> 00:35:14.250
you know,

950
00:35:14.310 --> 00:35:18.151
and step

951
00:35:18.351 --> 00:35:36.255
can speak about this also but if you if you are speaking with uh jimmy carragher mike carlo and steven gerrard they will tell you the same things about the nutrition you know and the drinks and everything gerard came with the idea to to make the next step so so and i think he works really well because we won trophies but

952
00:35:36.376 --> 00:35:47.255
uh i don't know what do you think about this but i think you know and of course the new building help no yes for me for me the the big change i could see it's uh

953
00:35:47.499 --> 00:35:50.421
I spent two years at Blackburn before coming to Liverpool.

954
00:35:51.505 --> 00:35:52.386
And at Blackburn,

955
00:35:52.746 --> 00:35:54.307
it was still the drinking culture.

956
00:35:54.587 --> 00:35:55.528
It was normal,

957
00:35:55.568 --> 00:35:55.928
you know,

958
00:35:56.008 --> 00:35:57.589
to go to the pub,

959
00:35:58.689 --> 00:36:00.611
having lagers and stuff,

960
00:36:01.071 --> 00:36:01.991
even on the first day.

961
00:36:02.772 --> 00:36:03.652
Right after the game,

962
00:36:03.653 --> 00:36:04.553
it was the same thing,

963
00:36:04.554 --> 00:36:05.373
the dressing room,

964
00:36:05.413 --> 00:36:06.134
having beers.

965
00:36:06.194 --> 00:36:08.215
And it was just normal,

966
00:36:08.295 --> 00:36:09.256
part of the culture.

967
00:36:10.476 --> 00:36:13.618
The food was not always healthy food and stuff like that.

968
00:36:13.698 --> 00:36:14.759
But when I arrived...

969
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:15.840
At Liverpool,

970
00:36:16.020 --> 00:36:17.041
under Gerard Houllier,

971
00:36:17.042 --> 00:36:18.161
it was totally different.

972
00:36:18.990 --> 00:36:20.391
He changed the regime.

973
00:36:21.900 --> 00:36:22.480
Like I said,

974
00:36:22.700 --> 00:36:23.541
no more alcohol,

975
00:36:23.841 --> 00:36:24.121
never.

976
00:36:25.382 --> 00:36:26.623
Even a beer was not allowed.

977
00:36:29.053 --> 00:36:29.333
Never,

978
00:36:29.573 --> 00:36:29.813
ever.

979
00:36:30.846 --> 00:36:31.466
The food,

980
00:36:31.506 --> 00:36:31.827
you know,

981
00:36:32.395 --> 00:36:32.975
and everything,

982
00:36:33.015 --> 00:36:33.616
the diet,

983
00:36:34.116 --> 00:36:35.337
the discipline in a way.

984
00:36:36.001 --> 00:36:38.323
And I think he helps a lot,

985
00:36:38.343 --> 00:36:39.444
especially maybe,

986
00:36:39.464 --> 00:36:39.964
I would say,

987
00:36:39.984 --> 00:36:43.467
the British players who are used to this drinking culture.

988
00:36:45.076 --> 00:36:46.777
us as European players,

989
00:36:46.817 --> 00:36:47.117
you know,

990
00:36:47.237 --> 00:36:48.038
foreign players,

991
00:36:48.078 --> 00:36:49.019
it was already,

992
00:36:49.495 --> 00:36:49.955
I would say,

993
00:36:50.235 --> 00:36:52.437
normal not to drink or not too much.

994
00:36:53.229 --> 00:36:57.468
But it changed the whole culture of the club for the better.

995
00:36:57.828 --> 00:36:59.790
And then you could see the result.

996
00:36:59.830 --> 00:37:02.191
And then he developed also the new Melwood,

997
00:37:02.312 --> 00:37:03.572
like you said,

998
00:37:03.652 --> 00:37:03.893
Greg.

999
00:37:04.865 --> 00:37:05.886
Because when I arrived,

1000
00:37:05.887 --> 00:37:07.967
we had this old Melwood.

1001
00:37:08.027 --> 00:37:09.068
It wasn't really,

1002
00:37:09.909 --> 00:37:10.209
you know,

1003
00:37:10.569 --> 00:37:11.830
for a club like Liverpool.

1004
00:37:12.770 --> 00:37:13.191
It was...

1005
00:37:13.351 --> 00:37:15.552
It was not great for a club like Liverpool,

1006
00:37:15.852 --> 00:37:19.034
but then we had these all-new facilities and

1007
00:37:19.815 --> 00:37:20.755
Gerard Houllier really,

1008
00:37:20.915 --> 00:37:21.556
I think for me,

1009
00:37:21.676 --> 00:37:24.357
took the club to the next level.

1010
00:37:25.726 --> 00:37:28.527
I think the chairman said he took the club to the next century.

1011
00:37:29.448 --> 00:37:29.968
Yeah,

1012
00:37:29.969 --> 00:37:30.108
yeah,

1013
00:37:30.128 --> 00:37:30.248
yeah.

1014
00:37:30.908 --> 00:37:31.629
He's right.

1015
00:37:31.649 --> 00:37:32.249
By doing this.

1016
00:37:32.529 --> 00:37:35.951
But we had a team bonding night during the pre-season.

1017
00:37:36.191 --> 00:37:38.433
You remember when we went away to the training camp?

1018
00:37:38.913 --> 00:37:39.333
It's normal.

1019
00:37:39.929 --> 00:37:41.730
But after the discipline...

1020
00:37:42.751 --> 00:37:42.911
really,

1021
00:37:42.912 --> 00:37:46.576
really strict in general.

1022
00:37:46.577 --> 00:37:48.849
He could be really bad with us if he heard anything,

1023
00:37:48.869 --> 00:37:49.149
you know.

1024
00:37:49.649 --> 00:37:51.285
Honestly,

1025
00:37:51.385 --> 00:37:52.726
he wasn't in the manager.

1026
00:37:54.882 --> 00:37:56.363
Sounds a bit like Sir Alec Ferguson.

1027
00:37:56.443 --> 00:37:58.163
He had spies everywhere saying to people,

1028
00:37:58.927 --> 00:38:00.108
this guy was in this nightclub.

1029
00:38:00.752 --> 00:38:00.972
Yeah,

1030
00:38:00.973 --> 00:38:01.092
yeah,

1031
00:38:01.312 --> 00:38:02.640
yeah.

1032
00:38:02.641 --> 00:38:05.101
But obviously going on to play,

1033
00:38:06.109 --> 00:38:07.710
obviously you played through,

1034
00:38:08.910 --> 00:38:09.170
again,

1035
00:38:09.171 --> 00:38:10.390
some amazing strikers.

1036
00:38:10.867 --> 00:38:11.707
I'm just curious.

1037
00:38:12.715 --> 00:38:12.956
Obviously,

1038
00:38:13.696 --> 00:38:16.118
you've spoken publicly about Thierry Henry,

1039
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:17.700
but you've come up against

1040
00:38:18.220 --> 00:38:18.661
Shearer,

1041
00:38:19.141 --> 00:38:21.251
Bergkamp, and all of these guys.

1042
00:38:21.651 --> 00:38:22.392
Out with Henry,

1043
00:38:23.056 --> 00:38:25.559
who would you hate playing against where you're like,

1044
00:38:25.659 --> 00:38:25.779
ah,

1045
00:38:26.019 --> 00:38:26.279
fuck,

1046
00:38:26.848 --> 00:38:27.428
not this guy?

1047
00:38:29.173 --> 00:38:30.374
Yeah,

1048
00:38:30.414 --> 00:38:30.654
for me,

1049
00:38:30.655 --> 00:38:31.075
I played,

1050
00:38:31.455 --> 00:38:32.035
obviously,

1051
00:38:32.536 --> 00:38:34.137
against a lot of strikers.

1052
00:38:34.257 --> 00:38:35.679
You name a few,

1053
00:38:35.759 --> 00:38:37.697
there are a lot more.

1054
00:38:37.757 --> 00:38:39.686
But overall,

1055
00:38:39.706 --> 00:38:40.487
Thierry Henry was...

1056
00:38:40.807 --> 00:38:43.708
maybe for me the most difficult and maybe the most complete.

1057
00:38:45.728 --> 00:38:46.809
He was not only fast,

1058
00:38:47.149 --> 00:38:48.429
obviously he was very fast,

1059
00:38:48.889 --> 00:38:50.410
but he was tall,

1060
00:38:50.630 --> 00:38:53.951
he could strike the ball from outside the box.

1061
00:38:55.231 --> 00:38:56.272
Technically he was good.

1062
00:38:57.964 --> 00:38:58.584
His running,

1063
00:38:58.604 --> 00:39:00.645
the timing of his running was very good.

1064
00:39:01.225 --> 00:39:04.446
So he had not only one or two weapons,

1065
00:39:04.686 --> 00:39:06.566
he was a complete striker.

1066
00:39:08.467 --> 00:39:11.170
And the most difficult was playing at home,

1067
00:39:11.350 --> 00:39:12.371
at Anfield against him.

1068
00:39:12.431 --> 00:39:14.312
Because when we played away at Highbury,

1069
00:39:15.133 --> 00:39:16.294
the pitch was quite narrow.

1070
00:39:16.295 --> 00:39:17.375
It was a small pitch,

1071
00:39:17.775 --> 00:39:18.176
Highbury.

1072
00:39:18.736 --> 00:39:21.278
And we could sit a bit deeper,

1073
00:39:21.378 --> 00:39:21.639
you know,

1074
00:39:21.699 --> 00:39:22.579
with a lower block.

1075
00:39:23.172 --> 00:39:25.454
So you didn't have that much space in behind.

1076
00:39:25.534 --> 00:39:27.375
But when we played at Anfield,

1077
00:39:27.415 --> 00:39:28.176
you have to attack.

1078
00:39:28.684 --> 00:39:28.945
You know,

1079
00:39:29.265 --> 00:39:29.725
the fans,

1080
00:39:29.745 --> 00:39:30.806
they want you to attack.

1081
00:39:31.107 --> 00:39:33.308
The problem is what happens when you lose the ball.

1082
00:39:34.257 --> 00:39:35.538
You are exposed in behind,

1083
00:39:35.558 --> 00:39:36.379
a lot of space.

1084
00:39:36.683 --> 00:39:38.224
And when you have a bear camp,

1085
00:39:38.604 --> 00:39:39.484
players like that,

1086
00:39:39.624 --> 00:39:39.884
you know,

1087
00:39:39.924 --> 00:39:41.545
to serve Henry into space,

1088
00:39:42.465 --> 00:39:43.205
I can tell you,

1089
00:39:43.325 --> 00:39:44.125
you look very,

1090
00:39:44.205 --> 00:39:45.946
very old when you run against Henry.

1091
00:39:45.947 --> 00:39:53.780
Like we are now for the Liverpool Legends game.

1092
00:39:54.620 --> 00:39:54.1000
Now you,

1093
00:39:55.120 --> 00:39:55.361
Greg,

1094
00:39:55.421 --> 00:39:55.881
you're fine.

1095
00:39:55.941 --> 00:39:56.181
Greg,

1096
00:39:56.201 --> 00:39:58.201
you can play 90 minutes for the Legends.

1097
00:39:58.582 --> 00:39:58.842
You know,

1098
00:39:59.162 --> 00:40:01.943
me last time I played 12 minutes and I got injured.

1099
00:40:03.981 --> 00:40:05.411
The pitch gets bigger and bigger.

1100
00:40:09.264 --> 00:40:09.844
But obviously,

1101
00:40:11.185 --> 00:40:11.786
you left

1102
00:40:12.354 --> 00:40:14.696
Liverpool and obviously went on to Celtic.

1103
00:40:14.816 --> 00:40:15.036
But

1104
00:40:15.905 --> 00:40:18.046
I just want to talk about,

1105
00:40:18.326 --> 00:40:18.606
obviously,

1106
00:40:18.706 --> 00:40:19.847
Rafa Benitez came in.

1107
00:40:19.967 --> 00:40:21.208
When did you realise?

1108
00:40:21.209 --> 00:40:22.029
Because obviously,

1109
00:40:22.169 --> 00:40:23.750
you left a few months before

1110
00:40:24.091 --> 00:40:27.473
Istanbul. I'm just curious when you realised in your head,

1111
00:40:28.357 --> 00:40:29.058
I'm going to have to go.

1112
00:40:29.198 --> 00:40:30.679
Was it straight away when he came in?

1113
00:40:30.1000 --> 00:40:32.200
Did he say something to you?

1114
00:40:32.781 --> 00:40:34.042
He didn't really speak to me,

1115
00:40:34.142 --> 00:40:35.203
but right away.

1116
00:40:35.863 --> 00:40:36.684
As a footballer,

1117
00:40:37.664 --> 00:40:41.467
you can feel if you have the manager's confidence or not.

1118
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:43.660
And right away,

1119
00:40:43.780 --> 00:40:46.613
I felt with Rafa,

1120
00:40:47.154 --> 00:40:48.635
I don't think he trusts me a lot.

1121
00:40:49.755 --> 00:40:52.817
And then you had pre-season and then you have friendlies.

1122
00:40:53.806 --> 00:40:55.447
And then you start to realize...

1123
00:40:56.171 --> 00:40:56.932
I'm not sure,

1124
00:40:56.992 --> 00:40:57.392
you know,

1125
00:40:58.013 --> 00:40:59.354
he can't hunt me that much.

1126
00:40:59.414 --> 00:41:01.476
And then you have the first game of the season.

1127
00:41:01.556 --> 00:41:02.557
You're not in the starting

1128
00:41:03.057 --> 00:41:05.399
11. You're on the bench and stuff like that.

1129
00:41:07.048 --> 00:41:08.730
So it was quite early.

1130
00:41:08.830 --> 00:41:09.510
I realized

1131
00:41:11.212 --> 00:41:12.313
I might have to move.

1132
00:41:12.513 --> 00:41:15.335
And even at the end of the Mercato,

1133
00:41:15.595 --> 00:41:16.997
at the end of August,

1134
00:41:17.037 --> 00:41:22.589
I remember Man City wanted to take me.

1135
00:41:23.130 --> 00:41:24.411
It was Kevin Keegan.

1136
00:41:25.952 --> 00:41:27.253
who was the manager.

1137
00:41:27.733 --> 00:41:30.055
And I spoke with Kevin Keegan and

1138
00:41:30.475 --> 00:41:30.916
I thought,

1139
00:41:30.956 --> 00:41:31.116
yeah,

1140
00:41:31.196 --> 00:41:31.556
why not?

1141
00:41:31.737 --> 00:41:33.398
Why not joining Man City?

1142
00:41:34.259 --> 00:41:37.001
It was maybe two or three days before the end of the Mercato.

1143
00:41:37.361 --> 00:41:37.621
And

1144
00:41:39.043 --> 00:41:40.544
Liverpool and Rafa Benitez,

1145
00:41:40.584 --> 00:41:41.184
at that time,

1146
00:41:41.725 --> 00:41:42.806
they didn't have the cover,

1147
00:41:43.046 --> 00:41:43.386
I mean,

1148
00:41:43.406 --> 00:41:43.686
you know,

1149
00:41:43.706 --> 00:41:44.787
to find somebody else.

1150
00:41:44.807 --> 00:41:45.108
They say,

1151
00:41:45.168 --> 00:41:45.288
no,

1152
00:41:45.788 --> 00:41:46.709
you can't move from now.

1153
00:41:47.902 --> 00:41:50.944
But I had the feeling it's the right time to move.

1154
00:41:52.205 --> 00:41:53.767
And my feeling was right because

1155
00:41:54.311 --> 00:42:11.639
the next four months i hardly play a game i was on the bench a few times but hardly play a game and then i knew in in january i have i have to move obviously you know when you see liverpool winning the trophy in istanbul four or five months later sometimes

1156
00:42:11.799 --> 00:42:22.667
yeah i do regret i think i could have maybe stay and you never know in football i think you you could play in this team because if you have a look the squad and i'm not the only one to say that but the squad wasn't

1157
00:42:22.963 --> 00:42:47.721
specifically strong this this season when they won the champion that's that's the that's for the fact that's the reality yeah and i think i think you could play a big part you know and and it's a shame because because uh with your experience i think you could bring after they wonder when they want it's easier to speak yeah of course of course but i think you know and uh yep so

1158
00:42:47.941 --> 00:42:51.643
that's maybe that's maybe a regret you know after when you look back you think

1159
00:42:51.863 --> 00:42:56.607
That could be maybe your only regret.

1160
00:42:57.248 --> 00:42:58.328
If you could have changed something,

1161
00:42:58.348 --> 00:43:00.170
do you think it could be your only regret?

1162
00:43:00.171 --> 00:43:00.330
Yeah,

1163
00:43:01.211 --> 00:43:02.011
probably.

1164
00:43:02.172 --> 00:43:03.232
Only regret is

1165
00:43:04.614 --> 00:43:08.777
I should maybe have stayed and show that I'm ready to fight for my place.

1166
00:43:09.293 --> 00:43:09.974
And like I said,

1167
00:43:09.994 --> 00:43:11.295
you never know in football.

1168
00:43:12.604 --> 00:43:14.606
Sometimes you get your chance,

1169
00:43:14.607 --> 00:43:15.246
you take it.

1170
00:43:15.326 --> 00:43:16.427
But obviously I thought,

1171
00:43:16.467 --> 00:43:16.587
no,

1172
00:43:17.048 --> 00:43:17.788
I want to move.

1173
00:43:18.421 --> 00:43:20.803
And if I could come back...

1174
00:43:21.799 --> 00:43:22.260
in time,

1175
00:43:22.812 --> 00:43:25.293
I would probably have stayed.

1176
00:43:26.070 --> 00:43:28.611
This is crazy because I don't know if you remember this,

1177
00:43:28.651 --> 00:43:33.678
but this is exactly what you told me before I left Liverpool.

1178
00:43:34.410 --> 00:43:37.512
We were talking maybe 20 years ago because I was really close with Steph.

1179
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:40.061
Speaking French was easier for me.

1180
00:43:40.650 --> 00:43:42.431
And you told me exactly the same thing.

1181
00:43:42.811 --> 00:43:43.491
You said to me,

1182
00:43:43.492 --> 00:43:43.991
still young,

1183
00:43:44.412 --> 00:43:44.992
be patient.

1184
00:43:45.512 --> 00:43:45.632
Yeah,

1185
00:43:46.329 --> 00:43:46.749
exactly.

1186
00:43:47.401 --> 00:43:48.862
But he's absolutely right.

1187
00:43:50.731 --> 00:43:55.708
Was it true that you could have signed for Rangers prior to going to Celtic?

1188
00:43:56.404 --> 00:43:56.565
Yeah,

1189
00:43:56.605 --> 00:43:57.105
yeah.

1190
00:43:57.365 --> 00:43:58.565
Greg was at Rangers.

1191
00:43:58.745 --> 00:44:01.566
He can explain you maybe even better than myself.

1192
00:44:02.666 --> 00:44:04.307
I had a chat with Maklis about,

1193
00:44:04.607 --> 00:44:05.527
because I knew about the,

1194
00:44:06.227 --> 00:44:07.708
I would say the rumour or not,

1195
00:44:07.709 --> 00:44:08.208
you know.

1196
00:44:08.228 --> 00:44:08.828
Yeah.

1197
00:44:09.328 --> 00:44:09.768
But yes,

1198
00:44:09.808 --> 00:44:10.148
I said,

1199
00:44:10.268 --> 00:44:10.949
when I heard this,

1200
00:44:11.029 --> 00:44:13.765
I said crack on because we were looking,

1201
00:44:13.766 --> 00:44:13.945
I mean,

1202
00:44:13.946 --> 00:44:16.630
the club were looking for a central defender.

1203
00:44:16.810 --> 00:44:19.703
And I knew for the fact Steph would be the perfect,

1204
00:44:19.704 --> 00:44:19.923
you know.

1205
00:44:20.023 --> 00:44:22.485
player for us because of his commitment,

1206
00:44:22.565 --> 00:44:22.845
you know,

1207
00:44:22.846 --> 00:44:23.965
his abilities,

1208
00:44:23.966 --> 00:44:24.766
his experience.

1209
00:44:25.542 --> 00:44:27.623
Because it's not easy to play for a big club like Rangers,

1210
00:44:27.624 --> 00:44:27.804
you know.

1211
00:44:27.805 --> 00:44:29.905
It's like Liverpool in terms of DNA and demand,

1212
00:44:29.906 --> 00:44:30.165
you know.

1213
00:44:30.265 --> 00:44:32.386
The expectation is to be a winner week in and week out.

1214
00:44:33.094 --> 00:44:33.495
So after,

1215
00:44:33.535 --> 00:44:36.476
I don't know exactly what happened behind the scenes because we were in the same hotel,

1216
00:44:36.477 --> 00:44:36.777
you remember,

1217
00:44:36.797 --> 00:44:37.737
with the wife and the family,

1218
00:44:38.298 --> 00:44:40.739
staying in the same hotel in Glasgow when you signed also.

1219
00:44:41.647 --> 00:44:43.568
Yeah.

1220
00:44:43.669 --> 00:44:45.570
But after he moved to Celtic,

1221
00:44:45.650 --> 00:44:45.770
so

1222
00:44:47.290 --> 00:44:48.291
I don't know exactly why,

1223
00:44:48.391 --> 00:44:48.531
but...

1224
00:44:50.813 --> 00:44:53.555
But yes,

1225
00:44:53.556 --> 00:44:54.756
for the fact that the club spoke to me about stuff.

1226
00:44:54.757 --> 00:44:54.856
Yeah,

1227
00:44:54.857 --> 00:44:54.936
yeah.

1228
00:44:54.937 --> 00:44:55.217
We were in touch.

1229
00:44:55.218 --> 00:44:57.538
I've been in touch with Rangers.

1230
00:44:58.019 --> 00:44:58.419
But then,

1231
00:44:58.459 --> 00:44:58.719
you know,

1232
00:44:58.759 --> 00:45:00.661
I was still under contract with Liverpool.

1233
00:45:00.861 --> 00:45:01.342
And then,

1234
00:45:01.382 --> 00:45:01.682
you know,

1235
00:45:01.762 --> 00:45:03.603
between the two clubs,

1236
00:45:03.644 --> 00:45:04.084
it was,

1237
00:45:04.684 --> 00:45:04.985
you know,

1238
00:45:05.405 --> 00:45:11.270
Celtic was maybe ready to pay more money in terms of wages and stuff like that.

1239
00:45:11.350 --> 00:45:11.470
And

1240
00:45:11.850 --> 00:45:14.224
Liverpool preferred.

1241
00:45:14.564 --> 00:45:17.967
Only Celtic is ready to pay you the full wages.

1242
00:45:18.785 --> 00:45:23.646
uh rangers is not so uh the solution was was with celtic

1243
00:45:24.376 --> 00:45:24.496
Yeah,

1244
00:45:24.497 --> 00:45:26.118
I think that's why we signed Kyrgios.

1245
00:45:26.874 --> 00:45:27.235
Yeah,

1246
00:45:27.236 --> 00:45:27.335
yeah.

1247
00:45:27.336 --> 00:45:29.528
Yeah.

1248
00:45:29.529 --> 00:45:31.430
It was a good signing for Rangers.

1249
00:45:31.890 --> 00:45:32.111
Yeah,

1250
00:45:32.131 --> 00:45:33.432
it was a good signing.

1251
00:45:34.220 --> 00:45:34.961
Very good signing.

1252
00:45:35.221 --> 00:45:35.341
Yeah,

1253
00:45:35.421 --> 00:45:35.782
yeah.

1254
00:45:36.438 --> 00:45:36.978
But obviously,

1255
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:43.135
you only played a small amount of games at Celtic and then you went to Wigan thereafter.

1256
00:45:43.676 --> 00:45:45.518
Was there ever a period of time where you're like,

1257
00:45:46.186 --> 00:45:47.327
I'm just going to retire now,

1258
00:45:47.328 --> 00:45:47.988
I'm fed up?

1259
00:45:49.853 --> 00:45:50.814
Or were you still...

1260
00:45:51.923 --> 00:45:53.144
Did Paul Jewell basically...

1261
00:45:53.884 --> 00:45:58.087
convince you to keep going and because obviously you played quite a lot of games when you went down to Wigan.

1262
00:45:58.595 --> 00:45:58.715
Yeah,

1263
00:45:59.195 --> 00:45:59.315
no,

1264
00:45:59.475 --> 00:46:02.297
so when I left Celtic obviously

1265
00:46:03.017 --> 00:46:03.838
I was a bit down.

1266
00:46:04.258 --> 00:46:04.418
Yeah,

1267
00:46:05.238 --> 00:46:07.200
mentally it wasn't like I said,

1268
00:46:07.220 --> 00:46:09.061
it wasn't a good a good period for me.

1269
00:46:10.157 --> 00:46:17.241
But I was still young enough to think I still have you know something to offer and I wanted to carry on playing.

1270
00:46:19.546 --> 00:46:23.192
I had a few opportunities during the summer.

1271
00:46:23.644 --> 00:46:31.258
But one thing I didn't really want to do is to move away from Liverpool because I had my house still in Liverpool.

1272
00:46:31.806 --> 00:46:33.868
So the family was settled.

1273
00:46:35.345 --> 00:46:37.366
I didn't feel like going abroad.

1274
00:46:37.406 --> 00:46:38.667
So I had a few,

1275
00:46:38.668 --> 00:46:39.508
I think I had a few,

1276
00:46:40.148 --> 00:46:41.369
a few clubs in Italy,

1277
00:46:43.963 --> 00:46:45.604
one in Spain or something like that.

1278
00:46:45.724 --> 00:46:46.204
And

1279
00:46:47.325 --> 00:46:50.007
I had other opportunities in England,

1280
00:46:50.107 --> 00:46:50.848
smaller clubs.

1281
00:46:51.644 --> 00:46:52.004
But then,

1282
00:46:52.185 --> 00:46:52.765
like I said,

1283
00:46:53.226 --> 00:46:56.628
the main thing was staying around Liverpool so I could just travel.

1284
00:46:56.749 --> 00:46:57.709
And then Wigan came,

1285
00:46:59.094 --> 00:47:00.576
a club who was just promoted.

1286
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:01.921
And I thought,

1287
00:47:02.001 --> 00:47:02.421
why not?

1288
00:47:02.501 --> 00:47:03.142
I spoke to

1289
00:47:03.502 --> 00:47:04.843
Paul Joule and

1290
00:47:05.924 --> 00:47:06.765
I had a good feeling.

1291
00:47:08.106 --> 00:47:09.367
I had a good feeling with him.

1292
00:47:10.135 --> 00:47:11.396
And I decided,

1293
00:47:11.537 --> 00:47:11.657
OK,

1294
00:47:11.877 --> 00:47:12.277
why not?

1295
00:47:12.618 --> 00:47:18.663
And right decision because we had a great season with Wigan.

1296
00:47:20.180 --> 00:47:21.021
We finished,

1297
00:47:21.022 --> 00:47:21.902
I think at Christmas,

1298
00:47:21.962 --> 00:47:23.503
we were nearly second in the league.

1299
00:47:24.003 --> 00:47:25.464
Second or third at Christmas.

1300
00:47:26.105 --> 00:47:26.365
Okay,

1301
00:47:26.405 --> 00:47:27.166
after Christmas,

1302
00:47:27.226 --> 00:47:29.488
we dropped a bit and we still finished in the top 10.

1303
00:47:30.008 --> 00:47:32.711
And then we went to the League Cup final.

1304
00:47:33.131 --> 00:47:36.437
So we beat Arsenal in the semi over two legs.

1305
00:47:36.718 --> 00:47:38.599
We lost against Man U in the final,

1306
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:39.360
but okay.

1307
00:47:41.241 --> 00:47:42.342
And we had a great season,

1308
00:47:42.542 --> 00:47:43.523
great team spirit.

1309
00:47:44.264 --> 00:47:46.406
I think we achieved that.

1310
00:47:47.347 --> 00:47:48.227
It just shows you,

1311
00:47:48.487 --> 00:47:48.828
it's not...

1312
00:47:49.108 --> 00:47:51.650
always the best player who achieved the most.

1313
00:47:52.151 --> 00:47:55.213
It's this connection between players,

1314
00:47:55.233 --> 00:47:56.154
the team spirit,

1315
00:47:56.575 --> 00:47:57.876
working out for each other.

1316
00:47:58.276 --> 00:48:00.278
We still had a couple of good players,

1317
00:48:00.318 --> 00:48:01.058
don't get me wrong,

1318
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:06.743
but we overachieved if you take the quality of the squad.

1319
00:48:07.244 --> 00:48:07.484
But

1320
00:48:08.425 --> 00:48:10.847
I really enjoyed my time at Wigan.

1321
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:13.160
Yeah,

1322
00:48:13.161 --> 00:48:15.582
and then you went back to Blackburn again.

1323
00:48:16.819 --> 00:48:18.100
To finish off your

1324
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:19.021
Yeah,

1325
00:48:20.542 --> 00:48:21.343
then at Wigan,

1326
00:48:21.403 --> 00:48:21.523
OK,

1327
00:48:21.763 --> 00:48:25.767
they didn't necessarily offer me straight away a new contract.

1328
00:48:26.727 --> 00:48:27.028
And

1329
00:48:28.109 --> 00:48:30.111
I had the opportunity to go to Blackburn,

1330
00:48:30.131 --> 00:48:31.372
a club obviously I knew.

1331
00:48:31.792 --> 00:48:33.774
Mark Hughes was doing a very good job.

1332
00:48:36.060 --> 00:48:38.142
They had a new training ground.

1333
00:48:38.935 --> 00:48:39.455
I thought,

1334
00:48:39.795 --> 00:48:40.236
why not?

1335
00:48:40.816 --> 00:48:41.077
And

1336
00:48:42.838 --> 00:48:44.280
I went to Blackburn.

1337
00:48:45.753 --> 00:48:52.999
The first season was quite good and then the second season unfortunately I already had problems with my Achilles tendon in the past.

1338
00:48:53.099 --> 00:49:02.287
I already had an operation and in the pre-season again it was again the same Achilles tendon.

1339
00:49:03.008 --> 00:49:12.544
It wasn't totally teared but it was partially teared so I had to go through another operation at I think it was beginning of September.

1340
00:49:13.964 --> 00:49:16.205
And the surgeon after the operation said,

1341
00:49:16.265 --> 00:49:16.385
oh,

1342
00:49:16.386 --> 00:49:17.225
you should retire.

1343
00:49:17.821 --> 00:49:18.061
You know,

1344
00:49:18.421 --> 00:49:18.741
for me,

1345
00:49:19.382 --> 00:49:20.782
don't play football anymore.

1346
00:49:20.922 --> 00:49:21.982
Take the insurance,

1347
00:49:22.002 --> 00:49:24.403
the money from your insurance or stuff like that.

1348
00:49:28.180 --> 00:49:29.220
And at first I thought,

1349
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:29.400
no,

1350
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:30.761
I don't want to finish like that.

1351
00:49:31.181 --> 00:49:32.101
I don't feel like,

1352
00:49:32.121 --> 00:49:32.361
you know,

1353
00:49:32.481 --> 00:49:33.361
I just finished.

1354
00:49:33.661 --> 00:49:34.182
So I said,

1355
00:49:34.202 --> 00:49:34.322
no,

1356
00:49:34.362 --> 00:49:34.482
no,

1357
00:49:34.562 --> 00:49:36.342
I will do the rehab and everything.

1358
00:49:36.402 --> 00:49:37.543
So which I did,

1359
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:39.219
I did the full rehab.

1360
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.360
I was back in April on the pitch training every day.

1361
00:49:43.384 --> 00:49:44.908
at a good level.

1362
00:49:45.985 --> 00:49:47.465
At the end of the season,

1363
00:49:47.505 --> 00:49:50.306
I remember Mark Hughes asking me in his office,

1364
00:49:50.346 --> 00:49:50.946
and he said,

1365
00:49:51.326 --> 00:49:51.586
okay,

1366
00:49:51.646 --> 00:49:53.587
so we won't offer you a new contract.

1367
00:49:54.379 --> 00:49:55.019
I thought,

1368
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:55.560
I knew,

1369
00:49:55.900 --> 00:49:57.240
but thanks for telling me.

1370
00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:59.361
I didn't think you would tell me that,

1371
00:49:59.441 --> 00:50:00.261
but thanks.

1372
00:50:00.841 --> 00:50:01.241
He said,

1373
00:50:01.301 --> 00:50:02.522
but to be honest,

1374
00:50:03.126 --> 00:50:03.866
how I see you,

1375
00:50:04.006 --> 00:50:06.567
you can still play at least one or two seasons,

1376
00:50:07.447 --> 00:50:08.888
maybe not in the Premier League,

1377
00:50:08.889 --> 00:50:09.688
but Championship,

1378
00:50:09.768 --> 00:50:10.348
definitely.

1379
00:50:12.141 --> 00:50:13.808
So I think you should consider that.

1380
00:50:14.843 --> 00:50:15.124
And

1381
00:50:15.566 --> 00:50:16.571
I listened to him.

1382
00:50:17.541 --> 00:50:20.843
Went back to Switzerland for my holidays.

1383
00:50:21.243 --> 00:50:22.404
And during that time,

1384
00:50:22.464 --> 00:50:28.879
I realized now it's time to finish my career because

1385
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:34.883
I didn't have the hunger anymore to start somewhere in a new team,

1386
00:50:34.903 --> 00:50:36.424
a preseason and everything.

1387
00:50:37.300 --> 00:50:37.420
So

1388
00:50:38.701 --> 00:50:45.024
I knew at the end of August when all the championships had started again,

1389
00:50:46.185 --> 00:50:48.366
I didn't feel like I was not missing that.

1390
00:50:48.406 --> 00:50:50.307
I didn't feel I would like to play.

1391
00:50:50.347 --> 00:50:51.287
I would like to train.

1392
00:50:51.288 --> 00:50:51.407
No,

1393
00:50:52.380 --> 00:50:55.181
I was quite happy sitting back at home with my family.

1394
00:50:55.361 --> 00:51:00.039
And that's when that's when I decided it's time for me to retire.

1395
00:51:00.040 --> 00:51:02.512
And say goodbye.

1396
00:51:02.552 --> 00:51:02.912
Exactly.

1397
00:51:03.292 --> 00:51:03.412
Yeah.

1398
00:51:04.844 --> 00:51:05.285
So now,

1399
00:51:05.345 --> 00:51:05.605
Steph,

1400
00:51:05.665 --> 00:51:06.545
after this beautiful,

1401
00:51:06.805 --> 00:51:07.666
fantastic career,

1402
00:51:08.106 --> 00:51:08.906
what are you doing now?

1403
00:51:10.083 --> 00:51:10.203
OK,

1404
00:51:10.423 --> 00:51:10.543
so

1405
00:51:12.355 --> 00:51:14.316
I've done quite a few different things,

1406
00:51:14.436 --> 00:51:15.777
but everything in football.

1407
00:51:16.569 --> 00:51:16.689
So

1408
00:51:17.290 --> 00:51:20.051
I've been assistant coach.

1409
00:51:20.052 --> 00:51:28.458
I've been then head coach in Switzerland in the top division to three different clubs.

1410
00:51:29.606 --> 00:51:30.327
I've done it.

1411
00:51:30.667 --> 00:51:33.004
I enjoyed it so,

1412
00:51:33.164 --> 00:51:33.284
so.

1413
00:51:34.136 --> 00:51:35.317
I think it's a very,

1414
00:51:35.477 --> 00:51:36.597
very difficult job.

1415
00:51:36.957 --> 00:51:40.339
Probably the hardest job in the world,

1416
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:41.299
I would think.

1417
00:51:41.916 --> 00:51:45.053
So I've done the experience.

1418
00:51:45.293 --> 00:51:47.335
I enjoyed my time when I was assistant.

1419
00:51:47.395 --> 00:51:48.375
That was my best time.

1420
00:51:48.696 --> 00:51:49.576
Assistant coach,

1421
00:51:49.616 --> 00:51:51.958
I really enjoyed it to be on the pitch every day,

1422
00:51:52.238 --> 00:51:53.519
to work with the players.

1423
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:54.860
Then head coach,

1424
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:55.560
like I said,

1425
00:51:56.317 --> 00:51:56.617
so-so.

1426
00:51:57.629 --> 00:52:02.033
And then I had the chance to move a little bit,

1427
00:52:02.133 --> 00:52:03.213
but still in football,

1428
00:52:04.482 --> 00:52:09.645
I went into recruitment with Olympique Lyon because of Bruno Cherou,

1429
00:52:09.806 --> 00:52:12.267
another player who we played with,

1430
00:52:12.447 --> 00:52:12.708
Greg,

1431
00:52:13.708 --> 00:52:14.229
at Liverpool.

1432
00:52:14.653 --> 00:52:14.893
Okay,

1433
00:52:16.287 --> 00:52:16.407
so

1434
00:52:16.907 --> 00:52:17.287
I spent,

1435
00:52:17.307 --> 00:52:17.608
I think,

1436
00:52:17.768 --> 00:52:19.149
three years at Lyon,

1437
00:52:19.590 --> 00:52:21.051
which was a good time.

1438
00:52:21.291 --> 00:52:23.113
I really enjoyed the club and everything.

1439
00:52:23.693 --> 00:52:24.274
I enjoyed,

1440
00:52:24.275 --> 00:52:24.514
you know,

1441
00:52:24.594 --> 00:52:26.976
being in the recruitment and the travelling,

1442
00:52:28.558 --> 00:52:29.759
watching the games,

1443
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:30.399
the players.

1444
00:52:31.512 --> 00:52:36.928
And then when Olaz,

1445
00:52:37.048 --> 00:52:37.308
you know,

1446
00:52:37.409 --> 00:52:38.129
left the club,

1447
00:52:39.290 --> 00:52:41.172
Bruno left the club straight after,

1448
00:52:41.372 --> 00:52:41.772
I thought,

1449
00:52:41.773 --> 00:52:42.013
hmm.

1450
00:52:43.581 --> 00:52:45.282
It's changing a little bit at Lyon.

1451
00:52:46.162 --> 00:52:46.882
I still stay,

1452
00:52:46.942 --> 00:52:47.282
I think,

1453
00:52:47.322 --> 00:52:48.463
another six months.

1454
00:52:48.503 --> 00:52:49.123
And I thought,

1455
00:52:49.563 --> 00:52:51.184
maybe it's time for a new challenge.

1456
00:52:51.185 --> 00:52:54.786
And that's exactly when a club in Switzerland called me.

1457
00:52:54.966 --> 00:52:58.027
A guy which I played with in the national team,

1458
00:52:58.815 --> 00:53:00.316
who was head coach,

1459
00:53:01.964 --> 00:53:03.025
called me and said,

1460
00:53:03.925 --> 00:53:07.467
we are looking for a sporting director in Lausanne.

1461
00:53:08.283 --> 00:53:10.024
That's the goal is called Lausanne Sport.

1462
00:53:10.244 --> 00:53:10.524
And

1463
00:53:11.925 --> 00:53:12.505
I thought of you.

1464
00:53:13.021 --> 00:53:14.782
I think you could be a good fit.

1465
00:53:14.822 --> 00:53:15.202
And I think,

1466
00:53:15.242 --> 00:53:15.362
oh,

1467
00:53:15.422 --> 00:53:15.822
why not?

1468
00:53:17.479 --> 00:53:18.079
Especially,

1469
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:18.520
it's only,

1470
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:19.660
what,

1471
00:53:19.820 --> 00:53:22.642
40 minutes from where we live with my family.

1472
00:53:23.566 --> 00:53:24.146
So I thought,

1473
00:53:24.814 --> 00:53:24.954
yeah,

1474
00:53:25.195 --> 00:53:26.175
great opportunity.

1475
00:53:26.415 --> 00:53:28.296
And since that,

1476
00:53:28.376 --> 00:53:34.031
it's nearly three years I'm here as a sporting director in Lausanne Sport.

1477
00:53:34.751 --> 00:53:36.192
So that's what I'm doing these days.

1478
00:53:36.193 --> 00:53:38.492
Perfect.

1479
00:53:38.493 --> 00:53:38.672
Yeah.

1480
00:53:38.673 --> 00:53:40.621
That's what you need to do.

1481
00:53:41.682 --> 00:53:50.129
sporting director no no not yet not yet later maybe you know Stefan I love too much the pitch I need to go yeah yeah so

1482
00:53:50.609 --> 00:54:07.363
I left Blackburn and I miss you know so the pitch yeah so let's see but no I think it was it was really good great to have you today for this podcast really really enjoyed the time okay same for me thank you very much and hopefully you will have a great season

1483
00:54:08.384 --> 00:54:09.905
I hope so fingers crossed speak.

1484
00:54:10.449 --> 00:54:27.937
yeah yeah thank you very much guys and uh and hopefully to see you soon say hello to the family by the way okay okay we're the same greg okay and we keep in touch greg see you thank you keep in touch okay take care guys thank you bye-bye bye-bye