WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.865 --> 00:00:04.086 Hello. 2 00:00:04.709 --> 00:00:06.114 Passionate about sustainability, 3 00:00:06.235 --> 00:00:06.496 energy, 4 00:00:06.536 --> 00:00:07.118 and climate? 5 00:00:07.681 --> 00:00:08.524 You're in the right place. 6 00:00:08.904 --> 00:00:09.868 Welcome to Energeti. 7 00:00:10.570 --> 00:00:11.434 I'm Maureen Cornelis, 8 00:00:11.735 --> 00:00:12.297 and together, 9 00:00:12.658 --> 00:00:18.424 we will engage with people who dedicate their lives to climate justice and making a just energy transition happen. 10 00:00:19.184 --> 00:00:20.368 They may be activists, 11 00:00:20.569 --> 00:00:21.211 scientists, 12 00:00:21.573 --> 00:00:22.395 policy makers, 13 00:00:22.576 --> 00:00:23.821 or other enthusiasts, 14 00:00:24.162 --> 00:00:24.744 just like you. 15 00:00:25.484 --> 00:00:31.424 Let their life stories and insights inspire you to build a better future for people and the planet. 16 00:00:35.223 --> 00:00:37.991 I have the pleasure of welcoming Ereti Ntaradimou, 17 00:00:38.132 --> 00:00:40.900 a familiar face in the European energy scene. 18 00:00:41.420 --> 00:00:42.767 If you work in the energy sector, 19 00:00:42.887 --> 00:00:45.480 you've likely met Ereti or rather Insights. 20 00:00:46.080 --> 00:00:51.420 Ereti blends over two decades of journalism with the deal for sustainable energy transitions. 21 00:00:52.020 --> 00:00:54.748 She delves into energy and physical energy practices, 22 00:00:54.949 --> 00:00:58.480 armed with a BA in philosophy and a master's in applied ethics. 23 00:00:58.782 --> 00:01:00.657 That's very original in the sector, 24 00:01:00.657 --> 00:01:01.020 I must say. 25 00:01:01.596 --> 00:01:01.917 Arati, 26 00:01:01.997 --> 00:01:05.568 it is Smart Energy International and leads content for Enlid Europe's 27 00:01:05.929 --> 00:01:06.832 EU project zone, 28 00:01:07.452 --> 00:01:10.812 driving conversations that bridge policy and community action. 29 00:01:11.292 --> 00:01:11.599 Arati, 30 00:01:11.885 --> 00:01:12.212 welcome. 31 00:01:12.912 --> 00:01:14.423 Thank you so much for the invitation, 32 00:01:14.464 --> 00:01:14.766 Marine. 33 00:01:14.766 --> 00:01:15.532 I appreciate it. 34 00:01:16.193 --> 00:01:16.804 Thank you so much, 35 00:01:16.967 --> 00:01:17.192 Arati. 36 00:01:17.452 --> 00:01:18.076 And actually, 37 00:01:18.157 --> 00:01:20.472 this is the second part of our conversation. 38 00:01:20.693 --> 00:01:22.425 The first can be found on 39 00:01:22.888 --> 00:01:23.532 Enlid, right? 40 00:01:24.557 --> 00:01:25.082 Yes, 41 00:01:25.122 --> 00:01:26.251 at enlid.world. 42 00:01:26.583 --> 00:01:32.280 You can find our first part of the conversation at the EU Energy Projects podcast. 43 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:33.341 That's great. 44 00:01:33.521 --> 00:01:33.642 So, 45 00:01:34.363 --> 00:01:34.664 Arati, 46 00:01:34.944 --> 00:01:40.436 you have quite an unusual profile in the sector because you've studied ethics, 47 00:01:40.857 --> 00:01:42.460 you've studied philosophy as well. 48 00:01:43.240 --> 00:01:45.466 You are bringing a lot of, 49 00:01:45.687 --> 00:01:46.008 let's say, 50 00:01:46.148 --> 00:01:50.360 perspective and nuance into the energy sector and you've been a journalist for more than 20 years. 51 00:01:50.864 --> 00:01:53.100 So why did you choose the energy sector? 52 00:01:54.027 --> 00:01:56.159 Please give us some behind the scenes, 53 00:01:56.179 --> 00:01:56.360 right? 54 00:01:57.145 --> 00:01:57.866 To be honest, 55 00:01:57.926 --> 00:01:58.969 the energy sector, 56 00:01:59.249 --> 00:01:59.991 why I chose it, 57 00:02:00.452 --> 00:02:01.434 because I found it sexy, 58 00:02:01.515 --> 00:02:02.878 because I found it very important, 59 00:02:02.898 --> 00:02:05.564 because I found it fun to participate in. 60 00:02:06.084 --> 00:02:06.906 Let's be honest, 61 00:02:06.986 --> 00:02:09.071 if we don't solve our energy issues, 62 00:02:09.592 --> 00:02:12.078 then we will have huge problems in the future, 63 00:02:12.339 --> 00:02:13.140 not only for us, 64 00:02:13.341 --> 00:02:14.704 but for future generations. 65 00:02:15.045 --> 00:02:16.068 Future generations is, 66 00:02:16.249 --> 00:02:16.610 let's say, 67 00:02:16.971 --> 00:02:18.676 an ethical part that ethics, 68 00:02:18.716 --> 00:02:21.464 philosophy likes to talk about a lot. 69 00:02:21.986 --> 00:02:22.514 And of course, 70 00:02:22.514 --> 00:02:23.204 I'm not different. 71 00:02:23.784 --> 00:02:26.544 You also said that I have a strange background. 72 00:02:27.143 --> 00:02:28.045 To be honest, 73 00:02:28.306 --> 00:02:33.900 I would love if more and more people in the energy sector were to do what you and I are doing. 74 00:02:34.641 --> 00:02:35.145 Basically, 75 00:02:35.266 --> 00:02:36.980 focus a little bit on the ethical part. 76 00:02:37.500 --> 00:02:40.140 So let's hope that in the future it won't be that strange. 77 00:02:40.180 --> 00:02:40.810 But you are right, 78 00:02:40.810 --> 00:02:41.439 for now it is. 79 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:48.160 I think there is a space for absolutely everyone with different backgrounds to be made in the energy sector. 80 00:02:48.281 --> 00:02:50.420 It's not only about the technical side. 81 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:50.825 Of course, 82 00:02:50.825 --> 00:02:51.799 the technical side is. 83 00:02:52.064 --> 00:02:52.707 fundamental. 84 00:02:53.229 --> 00:02:56.040 We need to move electrons and know people who know how to move electrons. 85 00:02:56.160 --> 00:03:03.021 But we also need people who are able to understand the intricacies and what it implies for the people, 86 00:03:03.463 --> 00:03:05.710 also what it means in terms of policy, 87 00:03:05.810 --> 00:03:08.078 in terms of social acceptance as well. 88 00:03:08.579 --> 00:03:11.940 And be feeling that what you've been doing with NLEADS. 89 00:03:12.780 --> 00:03:14.506 which is your current employer, 90 00:03:14.927 --> 00:03:22.556 is really about fostering this kind of conversations and making sure that people with different backgrounds really join the conversation. 91 00:03:23.859 --> 00:03:25.663 Can you tell us a little bit more about 92 00:03:26.305 --> 00:03:30.876 Enlid Europe and why it has taken this quite innovative, 93 00:03:31.156 --> 00:03:35.716 yet also quite original stance and position in the sector? 94 00:03:36.396 --> 00:03:40.516 So Enlid started basically as a European utility week. 95 00:03:40.976 --> 00:03:45.712 We were an event basically only focusing on smart grid. 96 00:03:46.703 --> 00:03:51.860 Then we acquired Power Generation Europe and we became an end-to-end event. 97 00:03:52.281 --> 00:03:53.283 But that was not enough. 98 00:03:53.704 --> 00:03:55.427 In order to have a saying, 99 00:03:55.548 --> 00:03:59.456 in order to participate truly in the energy transition, 100 00:04:00.137 --> 00:04:01.600 we had to do something more. 101 00:04:01.740 --> 00:04:06.480 So now we are in our way in transforming to Enlid Media. 102 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:09.226 Through our voice and our media platforms, 103 00:04:09.366 --> 00:04:14.800 I think we give a forum to everybody to discuss the energy transition. 104 00:04:15.340 --> 00:04:17.787 From the European Commission to the end consumer, 105 00:04:18.269 --> 00:04:19.312 energy communities, 106 00:04:19.372 --> 00:04:19.994 prosumers, 107 00:04:20.155 --> 00:04:20.576 everybody. 108 00:04:21.237 --> 00:04:26.016 We believe at Enlid that a clean energy is needed. 109 00:04:26.216 --> 00:04:29.436 A clean energy transition is what we should look for. 110 00:04:30.117 --> 00:04:32.303 And we are trying to be the medium, 111 00:04:32.503 --> 00:04:33.125 if you like, 112 00:04:33.406 --> 00:04:35.311 that will help the networking, 113 00:04:35.351 --> 00:04:37.096 that will help the conversations going. 114 00:04:37.476 --> 00:04:37.984 Because mind you, 115 00:04:38.005 --> 00:04:38.736 we're not engineers. 116 00:04:38.936 --> 00:04:41.356 We're not going to actually create. 117 00:04:41.905 --> 00:04:45.580 the projects and the programs and the new technologies that are needed, 118 00:04:45.881 --> 00:04:52.452 but we are going to be those that will bring together the right people in order to create a new, 119 00:04:52.533 --> 00:04:53.840 brighter and greener future. 120 00:04:54.811 --> 00:04:55.254 That's really, 121 00:04:55.596 --> 00:04:56.763 really great and really interesting. 122 00:04:56.863 --> 00:04:57.887 And I mean, 123 00:04:57.947 --> 00:05:04.083 I've been following your work and been involved in as some kind of an ambassador of Enlid for many years now. 124 00:05:04.504 --> 00:05:10.243 And I've been feeling that all the conversations that I've been participating to have been very enriching. 125 00:05:10.503 --> 00:05:10.644 And, 126 00:05:10.644 --> 00:05:11.266 you know, 127 00:05:11.526 --> 00:05:19.323 there has been quite also a shift over the years in moving from something very techno-centric to something a little bit more subtle. 128 00:05:20.114 --> 00:05:21.940 And the next edition will be, 129 00:05:22.181 --> 00:05:25.651 will happen in Milan and I already know that there will be a session on trust. 130 00:05:26.053 --> 00:05:26.354 I mean, 131 00:05:26.535 --> 00:05:29.691 I hope it will stay because otherwise it would be a terrible teaser from my side. 132 00:05:30.171 --> 00:05:36.004 But I think it's really important that those kind of topics are brought forward because really it's not only about, 133 00:05:36.725 --> 00:05:37.447 as you just said, 134 00:05:37.487 --> 00:05:39.251 it's not only about the tech. 135 00:05:39.531 --> 00:05:46.090 It's also about parking the conversations and being sure that those conversations happen in the first place, 136 00:05:46.171 --> 00:05:46.331 right? 137 00:05:46.772 --> 00:05:46.935 Yes, 138 00:05:46.935 --> 00:05:47.770 it is about the people. 139 00:05:48.234 --> 00:05:48.576 mainly, 140 00:05:48.637 --> 00:05:50.247 because if the people don't do anything, 141 00:05:50.527 --> 00:05:53.147 no matter how many nice projects and technologies we have, 142 00:05:53.569 --> 00:05:54.115 in the end, 143 00:05:54.338 --> 00:05:55.087 we're going to fail. 144 00:05:55.487 --> 00:06:03.847 If you and I do not follow the mandate of the European Commission and turn our thermostat to 19 instead of 22 or 23, 145 00:06:04.249 --> 00:06:05.767 then we are going to have a problem. 146 00:06:06.129 --> 00:06:07.857 And this is also the role of Enlid, 147 00:06:07.998 --> 00:06:09.887 informing also the masses, 148 00:06:10.367 --> 00:06:11.947 the people that are not engineers, 149 00:06:12.067 --> 00:06:14.680 the people that are not as well informed, 150 00:06:14.741 --> 00:06:15.082 let's say, 151 00:06:15.263 --> 00:06:15.927 as they should be. 152 00:06:16.652 --> 00:06:19.600 As for the shift that you mentioned at Enlid, 153 00:06:19.700 --> 00:06:20.041 and yes, 154 00:06:20.061 --> 00:06:23.971 you know it very well because you've been an ambassador for a year and we thank you for that. 155 00:06:24.632 --> 00:06:29.571 It is happening because we are also following the European Commission and the changes that the Commission is doing. 156 00:06:30.071 --> 00:06:34.618 And I'm really happy to see the last years that the European Commission, 157 00:06:34.658 --> 00:06:35.820 through initiatives like 158 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:37.402 Sustainable Energy Week, 159 00:06:37.743 --> 00:06:39.966 they're more and more interested in the people, 160 00:06:40.206 --> 00:06:40.907 young people, 161 00:06:41.288 --> 00:06:42.089 prosumers, 162 00:06:42.330 --> 00:06:43.271 energy communities. 163 00:06:43.795 --> 00:06:44.057 And so, 164 00:06:44.117 --> 00:06:44.278 yes, 165 00:06:44.339 --> 00:06:46.031 we're following this because why not? 166 00:06:46.794 --> 00:06:48.477 It's a beautiful recipe indeed. 167 00:06:48.738 --> 00:06:52.947 And you have been in particular focusing on the 168 00:06:53.328 --> 00:06:54.951 European project zone. 169 00:06:55.612 --> 00:07:04.164 So you position yourself and really your line of work on the intersection of policy and innovation and, 170 00:07:04.344 --> 00:07:04.925 you know, 171 00:07:05.005 --> 00:07:09.591 trying to spark conversations into EU projects. 172 00:07:09.991 --> 00:07:15.191 Can you share a little bit more what are the particularities of really this EU project zone? 173 00:07:15.775 --> 00:07:15.936 Yes, 174 00:07:15.996 --> 00:07:16.257 Marin, 175 00:07:16.297 --> 00:07:21.056 thank you very much for this question because you gave me the opportunity to explain what it is that we do, 176 00:07:21.398 --> 00:07:23.027 because it's something that I truly believe in. 177 00:07:23.691 --> 00:07:25.216 So about seven years ago, 178 00:07:25.717 --> 00:07:26.520 DigiConnect, 179 00:07:26.640 --> 00:07:27.764 two wonderful, 180 00:07:27.904 --> 00:07:28.847 very intelligent, 181 00:07:28.928 --> 00:07:31.014 amazing ladies from DigiConnect, 182 00:07:31.275 --> 00:07:32.479 Merce and Patricia, 183 00:07:33.101 --> 00:07:34.385 they came to us and they said, 184 00:07:35.006 --> 00:07:37.013 why don't we create a little 185 00:07:37.655 --> 00:07:38.939 European focus, 186 00:07:38.999 --> 00:07:42.736 European Commission focused area at the European Utility Week then? 187 00:07:43.224 --> 00:07:46.548 And immediately we jumped to the opportunity because it was a beautiful opportunity. 188 00:07:46.988 --> 00:07:54.317 So we started more and more inviting projects that are EU funded to come and share their knowledge, 189 00:07:54.517 --> 00:07:55.679 share their findings, 190 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:56.720 their problems, 191 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:59.283 also their challenges at Enlid. 192 00:08:00.104 --> 00:08:00.886 Now we started, 193 00:08:00.926 --> 00:08:01.607 I remember, 194 00:08:01.807 --> 00:08:05.213 with one small theater and like five projects. 195 00:08:05.513 --> 00:08:06.815 And last year we had 80. 196 00:08:07.556 --> 00:08:09.279 Most of them from Horizon Europe, 197 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:10.601 the Bridge Initiative, 198 00:08:10.641 --> 00:08:11.222 ETIPSnet, 199 00:08:11.282 --> 00:08:11.423 etc. 200 00:08:12.478 --> 00:08:14.804 We had a nice representation from 201 00:08:15.566 --> 00:08:16.569 SNETP also, 202 00:08:16.649 --> 00:08:18.855 so the nuclear EU-funded projects. 203 00:08:19.236 --> 00:08:21.569 We had participation from Mobility. 204 00:08:22.072 --> 00:08:22.695 It was beautiful. 205 00:08:22.855 --> 00:08:25.748 We even had some projects from ESA, 206 00:08:25.929 --> 00:08:27.295 the European Space Agency, 207 00:08:28.076 --> 00:08:31.175 with technologies that can be applied to everyday energy. 208 00:08:31.915 --> 00:08:33.762 So in seven years, 209 00:08:34.124 --> 00:08:37.115 I have seen this little village of ours, 210 00:08:37.376 --> 00:08:38.803 this little Brussels village, 211 00:08:38.863 --> 00:08:39.285 let's say, 212 00:08:40.009 --> 00:08:41.275 becoming bigger and bigger. 213 00:08:42.175 --> 00:08:44.043 It's nice to welcome the same people, 214 00:08:44.304 --> 00:08:46.131 but also new people every year. 215 00:08:46.694 --> 00:08:47.478 And above all, 216 00:08:47.558 --> 00:08:50.070 I think the most important thing for me is to... 217 00:08:50.897 --> 00:08:53.471 help cross along the message of the European Commission. 218 00:08:53.872 --> 00:08:55.425 I am a firm believer in Europe, 219 00:08:55.828 --> 00:08:56.231 personally, 220 00:08:56.592 --> 00:08:57.871 and I know that in latest also. 221 00:08:58.452 --> 00:09:00.351 We believe that the European Commission, 222 00:09:00.711 --> 00:09:01.911 with all the mistakes, 223 00:09:02.393 --> 00:09:03.291 there will be mistakes, 224 00:09:03.351 --> 00:09:05.151 it's impossible not to do some mistakes, 225 00:09:05.411 --> 00:09:08.997 but I think that this is the best thing that happened to Europe since, 226 00:09:09.662 --> 00:09:10.024 I don't know, 227 00:09:10.004 --> 00:09:10.849 the Second World War, 228 00:09:10.890 --> 00:09:11.071 maybe? 229 00:09:11.813 --> 00:09:11.955 Well, 230 00:09:12.015 --> 00:09:13.471 not that the war was something good, 231 00:09:13.694 --> 00:09:14.770 but the end of the war. 232 00:09:15.464 --> 00:09:15.706 Yeah, 233 00:09:15.766 --> 00:09:18.499 that's really interesting to hear. 234 00:09:18.820 --> 00:09:19.503 And I mean, 235 00:09:19.623 --> 00:09:20.024 we've just, 236 00:09:20.386 --> 00:09:21.088 on NetEarth Ethics, 237 00:09:21.088 --> 00:09:24.693 we've just been concluding a series with the AU project. 238 00:09:24.979 --> 00:09:27.128 We've been discussing like the intricacy of the project, 239 00:09:27.148 --> 00:09:31.405 what it means in terms of not only about making sure, 240 00:09:31.806 --> 00:09:32.047 you know, 241 00:09:32.087 --> 00:09:32.830 it delivers, 242 00:09:32.870 --> 00:09:33.813 the QPIs deliver, 243 00:09:33.934 --> 00:09:39.978 but also what it means underground and who are actually the rebel thinkers that are behind those projects. 244 00:09:40.246 --> 00:09:40.438 And- 245 00:09:40.647 --> 00:09:45.861 It's really for me really enlightening the conversation to have this kind of behind the scene. 246 00:09:45.963 --> 00:09:46.646 So in practice, 247 00:09:46.746 --> 00:09:47.991 in your project zone, 248 00:09:48.152 --> 00:09:51.575 how do you kind of create conversations between projects? 249 00:09:51.983 --> 00:09:52.224 I mean, 250 00:09:52.304 --> 00:09:56.038 if somebody now is interested in joining, 251 00:09:56.178 --> 00:09:57.443 how would that happen? 252 00:09:57.644 --> 00:09:59.442 And what would they learn really? 253 00:10:00.027 --> 00:10:00.187 Okay, 254 00:10:00.248 --> 00:10:00.668 first of all, 255 00:10:00.648 --> 00:10:01.870 we have our own theatre, 256 00:10:01.990 --> 00:10:02.691 or three of them, 257 00:10:02.791 --> 00:10:03.472 to be honest. 258 00:10:04.013 --> 00:10:09.481 And there we have some sessions with a specific topic, 259 00:10:09.581 --> 00:10:09.741 like, 260 00:10:09.761 --> 00:10:10.402 for example, 261 00:10:10.903 --> 00:10:12.485 the digitalisation set plan, 262 00:10:12.606 --> 00:10:12.746 etc. 263 00:10:13.126 --> 00:10:15.391 And then we have projects that are relevant, 264 00:10:16.173 --> 00:10:18.357 projects that are focusing on digital twin, 265 00:10:18.377 --> 00:10:19.099 on AI, 266 00:10:19.460 --> 00:10:20.502 on interoperability, 267 00:10:20.722 --> 00:10:20.882 etc., 268 00:10:21.183 --> 00:10:22.586 to participate in this session. 269 00:10:23.327 --> 00:10:27.682 Most of the times with someone from the commission and have a discussion about their findings, 270 00:10:27.722 --> 00:10:28.464 their challenges, 271 00:10:28.745 --> 00:10:28.926 and how... 272 00:10:29.276 --> 00:10:30.286 things should go along. 273 00:10:30.566 --> 00:10:32.846 We also give them space to exhibit. 274 00:10:33.627 --> 00:10:35.106 So if someone wants to know more, 275 00:10:35.386 --> 00:10:38.986 they have their own special place where they can go and discuss. 276 00:10:39.629 --> 00:10:44.212 And we also give them the opportunity to be part of our media brands with articles, 277 00:10:44.272 --> 00:10:45.119 with a podcast, 278 00:10:45.441 --> 00:10:46.046 with a webinar. 279 00:10:46.626 --> 00:10:51.706 So it's an all-in-all dissemination and communication basically that we do for these projects. 280 00:10:52.087 --> 00:10:56.786 And it's not only the three days of Unlead Europe every year, 281 00:10:56.926 --> 00:10:57.826 it's throughout the year. 282 00:10:58.414 --> 00:11:10.471 I think this gives them the opportunity to put their faces out there and to show also the Commission because that's also important that they are making good use of the money of the taxpayers in the end of the day. 283 00:11:11.511 --> 00:11:12.192 Yeah, 284 00:11:12.372 --> 00:11:12.833 absolutely. 285 00:11:13.033 --> 00:11:15.016 And really too often, 286 00:11:15.677 --> 00:11:17.601 some really great ideas, 287 00:11:17.661 --> 00:11:18.302 some great people, 288 00:11:18.522 --> 00:11:23.410 they remain a little bit too confidential or they remain a little bit too much. 289 00:11:23.730 --> 00:11:23.971 I mean, 290 00:11:24.051 --> 00:11:25.793 we all evolve in our bubbles, 291 00:11:25.833 --> 00:11:33.662 but it would be a shame really not to use this kind of visibility because it's really something that you offer. 292 00:11:33.842 --> 00:11:34.042 And 293 00:11:34.763 --> 00:11:40.490 I've been quite a fan for years because I think that you are really making sure that... 294 00:11:41.075 --> 00:11:44.250 conversations happened and serendipitous conversations happened as well. 295 00:11:44.870 --> 00:11:45.111 And 296 00:11:45.572 --> 00:11:53.290 I would love to hear any story if you managed to make some matchmaking at the end of the day. 297 00:11:54.011 --> 00:11:54.236 Okay, 298 00:11:54.236 --> 00:11:54.930 so here's the thing. 299 00:11:55.050 --> 00:11:55.173 Yes, 300 00:11:55.214 --> 00:11:55.930 this is the best. 301 00:11:56.191 --> 00:11:57.875 When I hear from projects telling me, 302 00:11:57.975 --> 00:11:58.095 oh, 303 00:11:58.175 --> 00:12:02.385 I got a really nice contact with X utility or 304 00:12:02.866 --> 00:12:04.370 Y solution provider. 305 00:12:04.550 --> 00:12:07.570 And now we're discussing about the second phase of the project. 306 00:12:08.130 --> 00:12:09.010 This is the best part. 307 00:12:09.547 --> 00:12:12.862 and to fortify that even more, 308 00:12:13.243 --> 00:12:15.702 this year we're going to have a matchmaking session. 309 00:12:16.184 --> 00:12:17.182 It is our first time. 310 00:12:17.603 --> 00:12:18.836 I am a little bit scared, 311 00:12:18.856 --> 00:12:19.422 to be honest. 312 00:12:19.643 --> 00:12:21.421 I'm not afraid to admit it, 313 00:12:21.843 --> 00:12:27.801 but I'm also very excited because I think that this will be even more spot on with what we want to do. 314 00:12:28.464 --> 00:12:29.621 Another thing that is new, 315 00:12:29.922 --> 00:12:31.942 and maybe you don't know it either, 316 00:12:32.363 --> 00:12:32.955 because it's very, 317 00:12:32.996 --> 00:12:33.282 very new, 318 00:12:33.382 --> 00:12:35.522 is that for the first time in seven years, 319 00:12:35.622 --> 00:12:37.922 we are also part of a project consortium. 320 00:12:38.475 --> 00:12:38.877 It's called 321 00:12:39.359 --> 00:12:41.690 Decoded. It's on digital twin. 322 00:12:42.526 --> 00:12:47.662 And we're collaborating with Q-Technologies from Greece and from other countries. 323 00:12:48.342 --> 00:12:50.882 And we're doing dissemination and communication for them. 324 00:12:51.042 --> 00:12:52.842 Like we have the entire package. 325 00:12:53.422 --> 00:12:54.725 And let me tell you, 326 00:12:54.725 --> 00:13:03.042 the excitement my entire team felt when we created the roadmap of the beautiful and interesting goodies that we would give was amazing. 327 00:13:03.143 --> 00:13:03.832 Yeah, 328 00:13:03.832 --> 00:13:04.601 I can see that. 329 00:13:04.802 --> 00:13:04.983 I mean, 330 00:13:05.003 --> 00:13:06.570 our listeners can't hear it, 331 00:13:06.610 --> 00:13:08.438 but I'm sure they can see it, 332 00:13:08.438 --> 00:13:09.442 but I'm sure they hear it. 333 00:13:09.602 --> 00:13:26.075 that you are smiling and that you are feeling really proud and I mean it's been quite a journey right to really from journalism to a kind of project manager now it's it's been a shift also at your level right yes but I do remain a journalist always in my heart and 334 00:13:26.577 --> 00:13:37.458 I am also the Brussels editor for Enlid so I will continue writing I will continue being the podcast host and all that and I will continue above all bringing a little bit of 335 00:13:38.015 --> 00:13:39.406 what I learned at the university, 336 00:13:39.586 --> 00:13:40.874 so my academic background, 337 00:13:41.035 --> 00:13:42.846 ethics in conversation, 338 00:13:43.267 --> 00:13:49.666 because I truly believe that we can't do anything right unless we do it ethically right also. 339 00:13:50.206 --> 00:13:53.042 So I hear sometimes that Europe is behind, 340 00:13:53.284 --> 00:13:53.606 let's say, 341 00:13:53.826 --> 00:13:54.773 in renewables, 342 00:13:55.176 --> 00:13:56.586 Europe is behind in hydrogen, 343 00:13:56.786 --> 00:13:57.331 Europe is, 344 00:13:57.392 --> 00:13:57.553 yeah, 345 00:13:57.674 --> 00:14:00.665 Europe is a little bit behind because we're doing it the right way, 346 00:14:01.270 --> 00:14:02.646 because we care about the environment, 347 00:14:02.767 --> 00:14:04.054 because we care about people, 348 00:14:04.094 --> 00:14:05.381 because this is... 349 00:14:05.925 --> 00:14:07.129 What Europe stands for, 350 00:14:07.149 --> 00:14:11.942 we have a very robust ethical background that we cannot just overlook it. 351 00:14:12.264 --> 00:14:13.852 I will not name countries because 352 00:14:14.214 --> 00:14:15.582 I don't want to name and shame. 353 00:14:15.982 --> 00:14:16.584 But yes, 354 00:14:16.764 --> 00:14:18.890 if you have no morals, 355 00:14:18.950 --> 00:14:19.251 let's say, 356 00:14:19.371 --> 00:14:23.422 or no robust and moral rules and regulations, 357 00:14:23.782 --> 00:14:24.064 then yes, 358 00:14:24.084 --> 00:14:27.342 you go ahead and you will create like a thousand photovoltaics. 359 00:14:27.422 --> 00:14:27.924 And then what? 360 00:14:28.206 --> 00:14:29.291 Then you will kill birds. 361 00:14:29.572 --> 00:14:31.562 Then you will kill small communities. 362 00:14:32.202 --> 00:14:33.382 Is that what we want in Europe? 363 00:14:33.606 --> 00:14:33.726 No, 364 00:14:33.786 --> 00:14:35.332 I think we want sustainability, 365 00:14:35.653 --> 00:14:36.737 we want a green future, 366 00:14:36.797 --> 00:14:38.388 but we want that to be ethical too, 367 00:14:38.450 --> 00:14:38.719 right? 368 00:14:39.479 --> 00:14:39.761 Yeah, 369 00:14:39.842 --> 00:14:40.103 I mean, 370 00:14:40.164 --> 00:14:41.653 this is tutorial music to my ears. 371 00:14:41.854 --> 00:14:44.542 And if you just take the name of this podcast, 372 00:14:44.763 --> 00:14:46.067 which is Energetic, 373 00:14:46.187 --> 00:14:46.448 it is, 374 00:14:46.488 --> 00:14:47.150 of course, 375 00:14:47.330 --> 00:14:48.153 what it is all about. 376 00:14:48.714 --> 00:14:49.516 And at the end of the day, 377 00:14:49.536 --> 00:14:55.253 it's about sparking the conversations and having like the people who make a difference, 378 00:14:55.353 --> 00:15:02.233 who really genuinely want to make a difference and want to move the lines in a way that is kind of unprecedented, 379 00:15:02.656 --> 00:15:05.373 because we need this kind of unprecedented strength. 380 00:15:05.918 --> 00:15:09.313 joined together to think differently and to act differently. 381 00:15:10.475 --> 00:15:12.100 What are you looking forward, 382 00:15:12.221 --> 00:15:12.763 let's say, 383 00:15:14.088 --> 00:15:17.121 with the project you are coordinating and also with the 384 00:15:17.824 --> 00:15:19.453 European Sustainable Energy Week? 385 00:15:19.573 --> 00:15:21.242 Because we are releasing this podcast on the 386 00:15:21.846 --> 00:15:25.693 12th of June and it's the middle of the European Sustainable Energy Week. 387 00:15:25.753 --> 00:15:27.525 So any insights, 388 00:15:27.565 --> 00:15:28.813 anything that you would like to share? 389 00:15:29.489 --> 00:15:29.690 Okay, 390 00:15:29.750 --> 00:15:32.058 when it comes to European Sustainable Energy Week, 391 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:38.025 I do have a wish list of people that I want to interview and I really hope it's going to happen. 392 00:15:38.145 --> 00:15:41.336 So when this podcast episode goes live, 393 00:15:41.376 --> 00:15:44.166 I hope that I already have some of the interviews that 394 00:15:44.647 --> 00:15:45.229 I want to do, 395 00:15:45.871 --> 00:15:48.840 mainly with the three ladies of 396 00:15:49.603 --> 00:15:51.954 DGNR. So the commissioner, 397 00:15:52.115 --> 00:15:54.045 the director and the deputy director. 398 00:15:54.780 --> 00:15:55.766 Kadri Simpson, 399 00:15:55.967 --> 00:15:59.173 I will not say the other names because they're really difficult to pronounce. 400 00:15:59.614 --> 00:16:03.153 I will only say the first names and I apologise in advance to the ladies. 401 00:16:03.353 --> 00:16:04.633 It's not of lack of disrespect. 402 00:16:05.134 --> 00:16:07.133 It's of lack of pronunciation. 403 00:16:07.853 --> 00:16:09.353 So Dieter and Mechthild also. 404 00:16:09.714 --> 00:16:11.253 I would love to interview these three. 405 00:16:11.373 --> 00:16:14.927 I think that they have done a wonderful job at the European Commission, 406 00:16:14.967 --> 00:16:15.653 at DGNR. 407 00:16:15.975 --> 00:16:16.961 And just between you and me, 408 00:16:17.001 --> 00:16:18.953 I hope with the new voting, 409 00:16:19.193 --> 00:16:21.906 I hope that they stay where they are because I do believe that they have... 410 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:25.153 good work in front of them to do also. 411 00:16:25.594 --> 00:16:27.853 So this is when it comes to Sustainable Energy Week, 412 00:16:27.913 --> 00:16:28.602 the nice people, 413 00:16:28.602 --> 00:16:29.493 the nice conversations. 414 00:16:30.293 --> 00:16:31.119 And yes, 415 00:16:31.180 --> 00:16:32.529 we will also know the new, 416 00:16:32.771 --> 00:16:33.093 let's say, 417 00:16:33.173 --> 00:16:33.878 constitution of the 418 00:16:34.341 --> 00:16:35.973 European Commission and the European Parliament, 419 00:16:36.336 --> 00:16:37.473 which is going to be very important. 420 00:16:38.273 --> 00:16:44.053 The second thing I'm looking forward is the inauguration of Decoded, 421 00:16:44.355 --> 00:16:47.153 which is happening the same days as Sustainable Energy Week. 422 00:16:47.653 --> 00:16:49.552 So it's going to be a very hectic week for us. 423 00:16:50.265 --> 00:16:57.185 and I'm looking forward to meeting the other members of the consortium and when it comes to my baby project the 424 00:16:57.746 --> 00:17:14.121 EU project zone at Enlid in Milan in October end of October I'm hoping to have at least 100 projects this year and to have some very nice conversations and to have projects coming to me afterwards and telling me you know what 425 00:17:15.049 --> 00:17:16.821 we met some really interesting people, 426 00:17:16.921 --> 00:17:18.781 we had some really interesting conversations, 427 00:17:19.222 --> 00:17:22.381 and we know how to solve perhaps a problem or two. 428 00:17:23.143 --> 00:17:23.369 Yeah, 429 00:17:23.390 --> 00:17:23.637 exactly. 430 00:17:23.981 --> 00:17:25.480 It's about thinking out of the box. 431 00:17:25.761 --> 00:17:31.681 And those matchmaking sessions are really about meeting people with complementary skills and viewpoints. 432 00:17:32.123 --> 00:17:37.301 And something that I've been also noticing from and late from you and your colleagues as well, 433 00:17:37.362 --> 00:17:38.821 because I don't know how many you are, 434 00:17:38.901 --> 00:17:39.881 but you are quite numerous, 435 00:17:40.321 --> 00:17:42.181 but you've been putting a lot of efforts 436 00:17:43.001 --> 00:17:45.013 on promoting gender balance as well. 437 00:17:45.513 --> 00:17:50.133 And I don't know if it's something that you have been decided really, 438 00:17:50.675 --> 00:17:50.997 let's say, 439 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.113 consciously going to, 440 00:17:53.374 --> 00:17:53.519 but, 441 00:17:53.602 --> 00:17:53.892 you know, 442 00:17:54.433 --> 00:18:00.088 there are only about a fourth of women in the energy sector of the workforce is a female, 443 00:18:00.230 --> 00:18:00.513 basically. 444 00:18:01.175 --> 00:18:02.153 But at the end of the day, 445 00:18:02.213 --> 00:18:06.552 there is really a good gender balance also in the panels, 446 00:18:06.854 --> 00:18:07.593 also in the discussion, 447 00:18:07.814 --> 00:18:08.713 also in the teams as well. 448 00:18:09.097 --> 00:18:10.452 So is it something that 449 00:18:10.902 --> 00:18:12.193 You put a lot of efforts on. 450 00:18:13.053 --> 00:18:13.556 Personally, 451 00:18:13.597 --> 00:18:16.133 I'm a feminist and I'm saying it out loud. 452 00:18:17.038 --> 00:18:17.504 And yes, 453 00:18:17.544 --> 00:18:18.192 I always try. 454 00:18:18.613 --> 00:18:25.533 I remember back in the day when gender equality wasn't a thing in the energy sector yet, 455 00:18:25.993 --> 00:18:31.333 where our conference was like 90% white middle-aged males. 456 00:18:31.954 --> 00:18:35.770 I remember that I created the first panel discussion in the summit, 457 00:18:35.931 --> 00:18:36.373 all women. 458 00:18:37.278 --> 00:18:38.669 and I was so proud of it. 459 00:18:39.029 --> 00:18:39.874 It backclassed, 460 00:18:40.076 --> 00:18:40.961 not only from men, 461 00:18:41.022 --> 00:18:42.129 but from women also, 462 00:18:42.571 --> 00:18:43.668 and not within Enlid. 463 00:18:44.189 --> 00:18:45.920 Enlid and our director, 464 00:18:45.980 --> 00:18:46.483 Paddy Young, 465 00:18:46.543 --> 00:18:47.429 was always, 466 00:18:47.910 --> 00:18:50.009 we were always up for the challenge, 467 00:18:50.309 --> 00:18:52.729 always wanting to bring more women, 468 00:18:52.989 --> 00:18:54.419 people from different races, 469 00:18:54.540 --> 00:18:55.849 from different genders, 470 00:18:56.030 --> 00:18:58.829 from different sexual orientations. 471 00:18:59.829 --> 00:19:01.017 And yes, 472 00:19:01.017 --> 00:19:01.781 he has been very, 473 00:19:01.821 --> 00:19:03.049 very supportive to that. 474 00:19:03.390 --> 00:19:04.468 And now I see. 475 00:19:05.373 --> 00:19:08.123 Six years after that first try, 476 00:19:08.545 --> 00:19:09.589 I see more and more women. 477 00:19:10.070 --> 00:19:13.540 Last year in our advisory committee meeting, 478 00:19:13.760 --> 00:19:14.623 the Impact Circle, 479 00:19:15.084 --> 00:19:16.909 my table was all women and one man. 480 00:19:17.389 --> 00:19:18.375 I was so proud of it. 481 00:19:18.596 --> 00:19:20.124 I didn't even do it on purpose. 482 00:19:20.245 --> 00:19:21.009 It just happened. 483 00:19:21.749 --> 00:19:26.286 So I think that at least when it comes to males and females, 484 00:19:26.627 --> 00:19:27.229 we're getting there. 485 00:19:27.689 --> 00:19:31.089 It's more and more women and young women that enter the field. 486 00:19:31.511 --> 00:19:32.888 And I'm very hopeful for that. 487 00:19:33.654 --> 00:19:36.857 Now we just need to change some other things like race, 488 00:19:37.638 --> 00:19:38.519 sexual orientation, 489 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:39.180 things like that. 490 00:19:39.851 --> 00:19:45.648 I think it's also really nice to see that because you give visibility really to the people who decide to join in late. 491 00:19:45.848 --> 00:19:47.552 And from what I've seen, 492 00:19:47.793 --> 00:19:51.682 all the facilities of the big events that you organize, 493 00:19:51.702 --> 00:19:54.168 they are all accessible for everyone. 494 00:19:54.688 --> 00:19:54.808 And, 495 00:19:55.029 --> 00:19:55.289 you know, 496 00:19:55.329 --> 00:20:03.428 I would say that the only thing that is missing is a daycare for people like me who have small children and would like to participate to the conference. 497 00:20:03.569 --> 00:20:08.308 And then while knowing that my child is being taken care of. 498 00:20:08.564 --> 00:20:08.724 But, 499 00:20:09.086 --> 00:20:09.346 you know, 500 00:20:09.427 --> 00:20:19.549 it's all these little things that at the end of the day make a huge difference because you put the spotlight on the people and their achievements and their capabilities as well. 501 00:20:20.180 --> 00:20:26.618 And that is also how you make sure that you build somehow those role models, 502 00:20:26.939 --> 00:20:33.267 because many people need role models and they need to be beyond the middle aged white men that you mentioned earlier. 503 00:20:34.520 --> 00:20:37.359 So I think it's really what I'm... 504 00:20:37.812 --> 00:20:43.401 I really appreciate that you take on board some people and you ask them to be present, 505 00:20:43.501 --> 00:20:50.831 but you also make sure that the presence is fully acknowledged, 506 00:20:51.292 --> 00:20:51.432 right? 507 00:20:51.673 --> 00:20:54.072 That you are building on this community of people. 508 00:20:54.694 --> 00:20:55.236 You have a very, 509 00:20:55.297 --> 00:20:55.498 very, 510 00:20:55.860 --> 00:20:58.432 very faithful community around you. 511 00:20:58.774 --> 00:21:00.292 Like you mentioned the impact cycle. 512 00:21:00.552 --> 00:21:01.872 I'm also part of this one. 513 00:21:02.415 --> 00:21:04.772 And really this year we had like a gender balance. 514 00:21:04.892 --> 00:21:05.611 That was amazing. 515 00:21:05.754 --> 00:21:06.592 That was really cool. 516 00:21:07.281 --> 00:21:11.016 And that's really the kind of conversations that happen at different levels. 517 00:21:11.236 --> 00:21:11.757 And that's, 518 00:21:12.458 --> 00:21:21.995 I find it super inspiring to be honest and really something that many organizations should be looking up to, 519 00:21:22.436 --> 00:21:22.576 right? 520 00:21:23.298 --> 00:21:23.461 Yes, 521 00:21:23.522 --> 00:21:24.296 I think so too. 522 00:21:24.716 --> 00:21:25.679 I think that you can't, 523 00:21:25.779 --> 00:21:26.221 of course, 524 00:21:26.361 --> 00:21:29.650 force someone to make the right choice, 525 00:21:30.091 --> 00:21:31.756 but you can lead by example. 526 00:21:32.179 --> 00:21:37.592 And this is what I think we're trying to do and we are succeeding hopefully at Enlid and at Clarion, 527 00:21:37.652 --> 00:21:38.133 our mother, 528 00:21:38.233 --> 00:21:38.574 let's say, 529 00:21:39.095 --> 00:21:39.416 company. 530 00:21:39.957 --> 00:21:42.169 They are also very much into sustainability, 531 00:21:42.391 --> 00:21:43.336 into equality. 532 00:21:43.916 --> 00:21:47.456 I'm quite happy with the initiatives that they have as an employee. 533 00:21:48.236 --> 00:21:49.826 And to be honest, 534 00:21:50.188 --> 00:21:51.456 what you said about the daycare. 535 00:21:51.951 --> 00:22:08.093 resonated with me and even though I don't have kids and I will take it to our ops team and see if we can do something because that's a beautiful idea that's brilliant although I think that the problem would be that young kids are not allowed in events but I'll take it to them and let's see what they say okay 536 00:22:08.414 --> 00:22:14.494 we'll see so let's meet in a couple of years and see if it makes a difference but yeah that would be lovely but 537 00:22:14.896 --> 00:22:19.727 I mean you're sharing some great example and great success but did you have any 538 00:22:20.052 --> 00:22:20.457 Backlash, 539 00:22:20.497 --> 00:22:29.151 because now there is quite a trend also to share like the something where you put some efforts into and then you realize that it didn't work for many reasons. 540 00:22:29.412 --> 00:22:30.118 Maybe you tried, 541 00:22:30.178 --> 00:22:31.267 maybe it was a big fail. 542 00:22:32.374 --> 00:22:33.900 So to learn out of these mistakes, 543 00:22:34.061 --> 00:22:35.647 are there any anything you would like, 544 00:22:36.169 --> 00:22:38.210 like you would feel open to share now? 545 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:40.142 I remember back in the day, 546 00:22:40.162 --> 00:22:45.636 I tried to create a data circle and do a report for the commission. 547 00:22:46.216 --> 00:22:47.996 And it was so much work and so hard. 548 00:22:48.277 --> 00:22:48.440 Yes, 549 00:22:48.460 --> 00:22:49.436 it fully backlashed. 550 00:22:49.596 --> 00:22:50.556 We did it for a year. 551 00:22:50.737 --> 00:22:51.335 I loved it. 552 00:22:51.637 --> 00:22:53.603 We had also a very nice session, 553 00:22:53.623 --> 00:22:57.756 but then I killed it like the instant the session finished. 554 00:22:57.876 --> 00:22:58.180 I'm like, 555 00:22:58.201 --> 00:22:59.236 I'm not doing this again. 556 00:22:59.878 --> 00:23:00.043 Yeah, 557 00:23:00.043 --> 00:23:00.436 absolutely. 558 00:23:00.556 --> 00:23:01.335 We have backlashes. 559 00:23:01.537 --> 00:23:01.862 Last year, 560 00:23:01.862 --> 00:23:02.736 we didn't put a carpet. 561 00:23:02.876 --> 00:23:03.202 I mean, 562 00:23:03.202 --> 00:23:04.016 even simple things. 563 00:23:04.116 --> 00:23:04.996 We didn't put a carpet. 564 00:23:05.483 --> 00:23:05.744 Why? 565 00:23:05.824 --> 00:23:07.329 Because we wanted to be green, 566 00:23:07.389 --> 00:23:09.575 because we wanted to care about sustainability, 567 00:23:09.655 --> 00:23:11.320 about energy footprint. 568 00:23:12.061 --> 00:23:13.043 You have no idea, 569 00:23:13.103 --> 00:23:14.165 I didn't know how much, 570 00:23:14.686 --> 00:23:16.369 not only how much it cost us money, 571 00:23:16.750 --> 00:23:22.220 how much it cost us energy and garbage and everything to have a huge carpet around the floor. 572 00:23:22.340 --> 00:23:25.430 This is something that you destroy right after you use it. 573 00:23:25.852 --> 00:23:27.056 You cannot recycle it, 574 00:23:27.056 --> 00:23:28.180 you can't do anything with that. 575 00:23:28.520 --> 00:23:30.945 So we tried to not have it, 576 00:23:30.965 --> 00:23:31.947 we tried it last year. 577 00:23:32.313 --> 00:23:33.715 That was a backlash on this one. 578 00:23:33.715 --> 00:23:36.058 Not everybody was as happy with it. 579 00:23:36.118 --> 00:23:36.579 Personally, 580 00:23:36.619 --> 00:23:40.965 I thought it looked good and I felt morally superior for having that, 581 00:23:41.705 --> 00:23:42.527 let me be honest. 582 00:23:43.047 --> 00:23:44.089 But yeah, 583 00:23:44.129 --> 00:23:44.609 backlash. 584 00:23:44.789 --> 00:23:45.410 And this year, 585 00:23:45.510 --> 00:23:46.712 I don't know what we're going to do. 586 00:23:47.413 --> 00:23:47.653 You know, 587 00:23:47.754 --> 00:23:49.116 I was there last year. 588 00:23:49.697 --> 00:23:52.702 It was in Paris and I was surprised to see the carpet. 589 00:23:53.463 --> 00:23:53.663 And 590 00:23:54.184 --> 00:23:54.525 I thought, 591 00:23:54.725 --> 00:23:55.146 okay, 592 00:23:55.286 --> 00:23:57.149 maybe it wasn't delivered on time. 593 00:23:57.970 --> 00:23:58.912 There was a problem with it. 594 00:23:59.776 --> 00:24:08.330 Maybe it was just a problem of communication somehow that you didn't say we chose explicitly not to have a carpet for sustainability reasons. 595 00:24:08.852 --> 00:24:11.929 And maybe that's also one of the reasons why there was a backlash, 596 00:24:11.990 --> 00:24:12.211 right? 597 00:24:12.512 --> 00:24:15.647 Because I remember talking about with you and you told me, 598 00:24:15.667 --> 00:24:15.888 yeah, 599 00:24:15.928 --> 00:24:19.491 that's really environmental recent and we'd be excited to have a carpet. 600 00:24:19.632 --> 00:24:22.911 And now I can't see really hate carpets myself. 601 00:24:23.173 --> 00:24:23.977 Now I'm just like, 602 00:24:24.037 --> 00:24:24.278 okay, 603 00:24:24.600 --> 00:24:26.189 let's remove all carpets everywhere. 604 00:24:26.812 --> 00:24:28.309 But it's also because I know. 605 00:24:28.888 --> 00:24:30.252 Now you educated me, 606 00:24:30.493 --> 00:24:33.663 I know now that carpets are really bad for the environment, 607 00:24:33.743 --> 00:24:33.944 right? 608 00:24:35.449 --> 00:24:38.599 I really think we could have done it better with the communication, 609 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:39.763 that was our bad. 610 00:24:40.226 --> 00:24:42.183 I really hope we don't go back to carpet. 611 00:24:42.545 --> 00:24:45.156 If we can't really get it out completely, 612 00:24:45.277 --> 00:24:46.844 maybe find another solution. 613 00:24:47.105 --> 00:24:51.763 But when I really educated myself also and found out what it means to have a carpet, 614 00:24:52.105 --> 00:24:52.508 I was like, 615 00:24:52.528 --> 00:24:52.649 no, 616 00:24:53.153 --> 00:24:53.516 thank you, 617 00:24:53.818 --> 00:24:54.503 not anymore. 618 00:24:55.491 --> 00:24:56.373 Yeah, 619 00:24:56.373 --> 00:24:56.553 I mean, 620 00:24:56.613 --> 00:25:02.122 that's really a great example of something you kind of learned the hard way also, 621 00:25:02.162 --> 00:25:07.010 because people don't understand the reasons why such an approach is taken. 622 00:25:08.572 --> 00:25:19.690 And what you're doing with your project zone and what you're doing really with your various endeavors as a journalist and making sure that this communication passes is part of an education process, 623 00:25:19.750 --> 00:25:19.910 right? 624 00:25:20.030 --> 00:25:23.130 It's part of making sure there is a bigger conversation happening. 625 00:25:24.853 --> 00:25:25.195 let's say, 626 00:25:25.395 --> 00:25:28.489 little nudges are making big waves, 627 00:25:28.629 --> 00:25:28.790 right? 628 00:25:29.310 --> 00:25:31.119 You add a pinch of salt, 629 00:25:31.159 --> 00:25:33.650 you add some spices, 630 00:25:34.010 --> 00:25:38.050 and that makes a delicious meal instead of a bland one. 631 00:25:38.670 --> 00:25:39.730 And you know what's fun? 632 00:25:39.950 --> 00:25:41.364 That when you're doing the nudge, 633 00:25:41.364 --> 00:25:42.030 when you're nudging, 634 00:25:42.110 --> 00:25:46.170 you don't even realize how much power that small gesture has. 635 00:25:46.791 --> 00:25:49.405 It's only after an X amount of time, 636 00:25:49.446 --> 00:25:50.210 a couple of years, 637 00:25:50.611 --> 00:25:53.689 that you see it suddenly blossoming in front of you. 638 00:25:54.217 --> 00:25:54.377 Like, 639 00:25:54.377 --> 00:25:54.798 for example, 640 00:25:54.798 --> 00:25:56.603 we see all those beautiful, 641 00:25:57.104 --> 00:25:58.087 intelligent, 642 00:25:58.388 --> 00:25:59.150 confident, 643 00:25:59.330 --> 00:25:59.952 capable, 644 00:26:00.092 --> 00:26:02.250 strong young women in the energy sector. 645 00:26:02.594 --> 00:26:07.273 And I feel so proud as if they were my own daughters or my sisters or I don't know, 646 00:26:07.313 --> 00:26:08.473 my mothers. 647 00:26:08.594 --> 00:26:08.835 Well, 648 00:26:08.835 --> 00:26:09.798 not the young girls, 649 00:26:09.838 --> 00:26:10.320 of course, 650 00:26:10.681 --> 00:26:15.534 but it is a beautiful sentiment also for a woman and a feminist. 651 00:26:16.157 --> 00:26:16.458 Yeah, 652 00:26:16.478 --> 00:26:17.161 I mean, 653 00:26:17.222 --> 00:26:19.934 you've been showing the way in many different ways. 654 00:26:20.275 --> 00:26:20.519 I mean, 655 00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:21.754 that's a terrible way of putting it. 656 00:26:22.074 --> 00:26:22.615 But yeah, 657 00:26:22.715 --> 00:26:29.769 you've been kind of a beacon for lots of really making sure that conversation happens differently with different people, 658 00:26:30.150 --> 00:26:31.994 with different viewpoints as well. 659 00:26:32.214 --> 00:26:36.034 And I think it's great to have this platform also coming from the private sector. 660 00:26:36.495 --> 00:26:36.756 I mean, 661 00:26:37.257 --> 00:26:42.729 we've been talking a lot about how the public sector can influence the future of energy, 662 00:26:42.829 --> 00:26:45.054 the sustainability in general. 663 00:26:45.202 --> 00:26:45.332 But. 664 00:26:45.794 --> 00:26:46.637 You're a private company, 665 00:26:46.758 --> 00:26:46.918 right? 666 00:26:47.019 --> 00:26:48.183 You're a private business. 667 00:26:48.725 --> 00:26:55.120 And you've been pushing those ideas because of the sum of the people you are in and because of the values of your company, 668 00:26:55.224 --> 00:26:55.390 right? 669 00:26:56.135 --> 00:26:56.255 Yeah, 670 00:26:56.315 --> 00:26:56.735 absolutely. 671 00:26:56.755 --> 00:26:57.996 We are a commercial entity. 672 00:26:58.597 --> 00:27:01.119 This is open and known. 673 00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:04.402 But that doesn't mean that we don't have a conscience, 674 00:27:04.722 --> 00:27:10.087 that we don't have moral principles and that we don't want to put our own little, 675 00:27:10.287 --> 00:27:10.767 let's say, 676 00:27:11.228 --> 00:27:14.971 stone in this beautiful building that is called Europe. 677 00:27:15.531 --> 00:27:15.852 And 678 00:27:16.853 --> 00:27:17.533 I must admit, 679 00:27:17.573 --> 00:27:18.454 we are really pro. 680 00:27:19.110 --> 00:27:19.872 European Commission, 681 00:27:19.892 --> 00:27:24.046 in case you haven't noticed by everything I'm saying right now. 682 00:27:24.448 --> 00:27:26.946 And we are following a lot on their mandates. 683 00:27:27.107 --> 00:27:29.294 That doesn't mean that we will not call on them, 684 00:27:29.374 --> 00:27:29.695 let's say, 685 00:27:29.735 --> 00:27:30.076 or say, 686 00:27:30.498 --> 00:27:30.939 you know what, 687 00:27:31.401 --> 00:27:33.046 maybe we disagree in this one. 688 00:27:33.546 --> 00:27:34.670 But yeah, 689 00:27:34.670 --> 00:27:35.072 all in all, 690 00:27:35.072 --> 00:27:38.746 I would say I'm quite happy with the way things are going. 691 00:27:38.906 --> 00:27:40.845 And one more thing that I would like to add is. 692 00:27:42.325 --> 00:27:48.788 I know that most of us in Europe say that all public sector in the Commission and they're using the taxpayers money, 693 00:27:49.009 --> 00:27:51.161 they're really using the taxpayers money for good work. 694 00:27:51.503 --> 00:27:53.549 I've met a lot of officers, 695 00:27:53.609 --> 00:27:54.693 policy officers, 696 00:27:55.094 --> 00:27:56.418 communication officers, 697 00:27:56.478 --> 00:27:58.868 heads of departments in the European Commission, 698 00:27:59.229 --> 00:28:02.407 and I really believe that they are passionate about what they're doing. 699 00:28:03.162 --> 00:28:04.276 They really believe in what they're doing. 700 00:28:04.742 --> 00:28:06.088 I'm talking about the energy sector, 701 00:28:06.450 --> 00:28:06.670 but 702 00:28:07.374 --> 00:28:09.242 I'm sure this is all around the base. 703 00:28:09.829 --> 00:28:16.666 Is it something you notice at other levels or where would you like to see more of this passion? 704 00:28:17.571 --> 00:28:18.616 To be honest, 705 00:28:19.178 --> 00:28:20.344 in the associations, 706 00:28:20.424 --> 00:28:20.806 I think. 707 00:28:21.268 --> 00:28:24.664 I think the associations in Europe are doing a brilliant job, 708 00:28:24.885 --> 00:28:25.166 yes, 709 00:28:25.687 --> 00:28:33.186 but they could be more passionate about changing the world than changing the world for their own members. 710 00:28:34.007 --> 00:28:35.366 They could be a little bit more holistic. 711 00:28:35.666 --> 00:28:36.886 I understand it's difficult. 712 00:28:37.186 --> 00:28:38.366 You need to focus somewhere. 713 00:28:38.987 --> 00:28:42.706 But I would like for them to see the big picture and collaborate a little bit more. 714 00:28:43.388 --> 00:28:45.531 That's really an interesting point and also 715 00:28:45.971 --> 00:28:56.246 I would expect something you can try to bring forward with the reviews that you publish and the events that you organize because you always try to have a balance of viewpoints. 716 00:28:56.927 --> 00:29:09.725 And having someone like me with really strong moral or ethics writing and I don't want to hide my ethics to please other companies or viewpoints, 717 00:29:09.745 --> 00:29:09.865 etc. 718 00:29:10.608 --> 00:29:11.836 Having people like me. 719 00:29:12.316 --> 00:29:18.566 Having a conversation with somebody who may represent a private sector that is being seen as something as, 720 00:29:19.147 --> 00:29:19.428 let's say, 721 00:29:19.528 --> 00:29:20.329 quote unquote, 722 00:29:20.449 --> 00:29:23.314 evil or somehow is really important. 723 00:29:24.137 --> 00:29:27.394 It's also some uncomfortable conversations. 724 00:29:28.236 --> 00:29:28.554 Absolutely. 725 00:29:28.814 --> 00:29:33.502 I've been feeling that is something that very often in, 726 00:29:33.863 --> 00:29:34.183 let's say, 727 00:29:34.404 --> 00:29:35.606 association events, 728 00:29:36.066 --> 00:29:39.973 those kind of uncomfortable conversations don't really happen, 729 00:29:40.434 --> 00:29:40.594 right? 730 00:29:41.253 --> 00:29:41.474 Yes, 731 00:29:41.814 --> 00:29:43.776 and this is something that we need to change. 732 00:29:43.836 --> 00:29:44.737 Like for example, 733 00:29:45.258 --> 00:29:46.740 and I will be a little bit specific, 734 00:29:47.140 --> 00:29:53.688 it's not strange that at Enlid we always invite Rescoop and we want to have their opinion on the table. 735 00:29:54.068 --> 00:29:57.212 It's not a coincidence that we invite BEUC. 736 00:29:58.325 --> 00:29:59.847 So we need everybody. 737 00:30:00.288 --> 00:30:05.776 We need everybody in the discussion and we need to stop being kind to our own, 738 00:30:05.936 --> 00:30:06.356 let's say, 739 00:30:06.557 --> 00:30:11.684 members and try to also show that some things can be done differently. 740 00:30:12.024 --> 00:30:12.145 So, 741 00:30:12.205 --> 00:30:12.365 yes, 742 00:30:12.365 --> 00:30:14.147 the difficult discussions need to happen. 743 00:30:14.267 --> 00:30:15.909 I don't want to be more specific because 744 00:30:16.250 --> 00:30:19.594 I don't want to say something that might hurt someone because it doesn't matter. 745 00:30:19.674 --> 00:30:19.834 Also, 746 00:30:19.875 --> 00:30:20.816 I don't want to do that. 747 00:30:21.216 --> 00:30:21.917 That's not the point. 748 00:30:22.358 --> 00:30:23.940 Associations are very important. 749 00:30:24.100 --> 00:30:27.204 And I know most of the heads of the association. 750 00:30:27.746 --> 00:30:28.847 And they're brilliant people. 751 00:30:28.907 --> 00:30:29.168 I mean, 752 00:30:29.268 --> 00:30:29.809 if you take them, 753 00:30:29.809 --> 00:30:30.510 they're all brilliant. 754 00:30:30.530 --> 00:30:31.631 They're very well educated. 755 00:30:31.651 --> 00:30:34.075 They know their things and they're doing them well. 756 00:30:34.275 --> 00:30:36.959 I just would like for them to be a little bit more, 757 00:30:37.300 --> 00:30:40.324 to let themselves become a little bit more uncomfortable sometimes. 758 00:30:40.905 --> 00:30:43.889 This is something that the European Commission is doing. 759 00:30:44.249 --> 00:30:49.216 This is something that utilities also and solutions providers sometimes are doing. 760 00:30:49.697 --> 00:30:51.019 But when they come all together, 761 00:30:51.179 --> 00:30:53.442 sometimes they just want to say how awesome we all are. 762 00:30:53.963 --> 00:30:54.744 And yeah. 763 00:30:55.258 --> 00:30:55.680 We're not. 764 00:30:55.820 --> 00:30:58.031 We have a lot to learn and a lot of things to do. 765 00:30:58.795 --> 00:30:58.956 Yeah, 766 00:30:59.357 --> 00:31:14.741 I think that's also one of the reasons why I wanted to hear about kind of your things that you failed as an organization that is thriving and that is bringing a lot of good and is really paving the way for other, 767 00:31:15.563 --> 00:31:15.824 let's say, 768 00:31:15.824 --> 00:31:21.909 best practice and making sure that different alternative voices are being shown and heard, 769 00:31:21.949 --> 00:31:22.070 etc. 770 00:31:22.634 --> 00:31:23.690 And it takes courage. 771 00:31:23.832 --> 00:31:27.247 And I think I like it and have been comfortable around. 772 00:31:27.699 --> 00:31:46.821 your team because you've been really showing me that it was possible to to have courage within my work right thank you for that that's very beautiful thing to say thank you so much yes indeed uh i mean i don't make a payment that often but uh yeah let me let it make it to you but 773 00:31:47.001 --> 00:31:56.791 uh yeah so i mean i mean i've i've been feeling that i've been learning a lot uh around you and from the events and the conferences and the readings as well and there is so much to do you 774 00:31:57.149 --> 00:31:59.600 I also feel that if we just clash, 775 00:31:59.780 --> 00:32:00.604 we don't get anywhere. 776 00:32:00.986 --> 00:32:03.844 But if we merge and we are able to have uncomfortable situations, 777 00:32:04.284 --> 00:32:14.044 that's also where the magic happens and that we make something good and we also show that a different alternative way is possible. 778 00:32:14.224 --> 00:32:14.365 I mean, 779 00:32:14.466 --> 00:32:16.684 I've been feeling that lately on the show, 780 00:32:16.804 --> 00:32:18.324 I've been inviting a lot of rebel thinkers, 781 00:32:18.764 --> 00:32:21.284 and you are definitely one of those as well. 782 00:32:22.822 --> 00:32:23.543 Thank you so much, 783 00:32:23.583 --> 00:32:23.983 Alital. 784 00:32:24.163 --> 00:32:26.807 I take it with pride and happiness. 785 00:32:27.247 --> 00:32:29.831 But not a rebel without a cause. 786 00:32:29.871 --> 00:32:30.872 I do have a cause. 787 00:32:31.232 --> 00:32:34.316 And the cause is more inclusiveness and more collaboration, 788 00:32:34.356 --> 00:32:36.099 because this is the most important thing. 789 00:32:36.099 --> 00:32:37.240 Do not exclude anyone. 790 00:32:37.800 --> 00:32:38.121 Even, 791 00:32:38.322 --> 00:32:38.643 let's say, 792 00:32:38.643 --> 00:32:39.665 the nuclear people, 793 00:32:39.825 --> 00:32:41.068 even the coal people, 794 00:32:41.209 --> 00:32:42.773 they need to be part of the discussion. 795 00:32:43.033 --> 00:32:45.760 We're not going to do anything if we don't sit down. 796 00:32:46.224 --> 00:32:47.836 and discuss and collaborate. 797 00:32:48.557 --> 00:32:48.678 So, 798 00:32:48.840 --> 00:32:49.588 and I think that this, 799 00:32:49.790 --> 00:32:50.316 at the end, 800 00:32:50.456 --> 00:32:53.496 is a message of EnLit Europe and EnLit Media. 801 00:32:53.937 --> 00:32:57.636 Let's all sit down at the same table and have an honest discussion. 802 00:32:58.137 --> 00:32:58.279 Yeah, 803 00:32:58.523 --> 00:32:59.215 I really like that. 804 00:32:59.878 --> 00:33:00.525 And thank you, 805 00:33:00.626 --> 00:33:00.747 Rui, 806 00:33:00.787 --> 00:33:01.696 for bringing it forward. 807 00:33:02.276 --> 00:33:02.478 And, 808 00:33:03.083 --> 00:33:03.325 I mean, 809 00:33:03.406 --> 00:33:05.776 we're going to see you a lot in the coming months. 810 00:33:05.836 --> 00:33:05.957 So, 811 00:33:06.481 --> 00:33:06.723 first, 812 00:33:06.743 --> 00:33:08.476 that's your Urban Sustainability Week. 813 00:33:08.991 --> 00:33:12.961 If anybody is listening to this episode while going to Youssef, 814 00:33:13.362 --> 00:33:15.808 please reach out to Arete or me because we're going to be there. 815 00:33:16.408 --> 00:33:17.234 And yeah, 816 00:33:17.254 --> 00:33:17.818 and who knows, 817 00:33:17.878 --> 00:33:19.368 maybe you will be our next podcast. 818 00:33:19.730 --> 00:33:20.554 And so in 819 00:33:21.237 --> 00:33:23.648 Milan at the end of October. 820 00:33:24.149 --> 00:33:26.376 So my notes is from Milan, 821 00:33:26.436 --> 00:33:26.717 Italy, 822 00:33:26.877 --> 00:33:28.282 Roviera from October 823 00:33:28.804 --> 00:33:30.188 22 to 24. 824 00:33:30.974 --> 00:33:31.968 So that's going to be exciting. 825 00:33:32.128 --> 00:33:32.650 And in the meantime, 826 00:33:32.831 --> 00:33:37.488 you're going to publish a lot of things and be on various platforms as well. 827 00:33:38.231 --> 00:33:38.693 Exactly. 828 00:33:38.773 --> 00:33:41.340 Thank you so much for this invitation, 829 00:33:41.361 --> 00:33:41.621 Marin. 830 00:33:41.621 --> 00:33:42.484 I really liked it. 831 00:33:42.504 --> 00:33:45.694 I'm not often given the opportunity to discuss ethics, 832 00:33:46.096 --> 00:33:49.207 but now this time I'm given this opportunity twice. 833 00:33:49.588 --> 00:33:52.837 Once with your brilliant podcast series, 834 00:33:53.178 --> 00:33:53.881 Energetics. 835 00:33:53.941 --> 00:33:54.843 I really like it. 836 00:33:54.843 --> 00:33:55.385 You know that. 837 00:33:55.786 --> 00:33:58.115 And the second from Sustainable Energy Week, 838 00:33:58.657 --> 00:34:02.957 they gave me the opportunity to write an article on ethics and that will be published on the 839 00:34:03.340 --> 00:34:03.904 6th of June, 840 00:34:03.924 --> 00:34:04.266 I think. 841 00:34:04.778 --> 00:34:04.919 So, 842 00:34:05.544 --> 00:34:05.866 yeah, 843 00:34:06.189 --> 00:34:06.955 I'm quite happy. 844 00:34:07.555 --> 00:34:10.154 My background is doing a happy dance right now. 845 00:34:11.715 --> 00:34:12.475 That's great. 846 00:34:12.655 --> 00:34:20.175 And also we recorded another podcast episode together and I will put the link in the show notes and please catch up with it. 847 00:34:20.495 --> 00:34:20.656 I mean, 848 00:34:20.938 --> 00:34:23.675 that time you will hear me speaking a lot. 849 00:34:23.895 --> 00:34:24.684 I really speak a lot, 850 00:34:24.765 --> 00:34:25.555 but even more. 851 00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:27.672 You have a lot to say, 852 00:34:27.693 --> 00:34:27.814 eh? 853 00:34:28.237 --> 00:34:29.073 That's why you speak. 854 00:34:29.636 --> 00:34:30.573 That's the important thing. 855 00:34:31.097 --> 00:34:31.574 I hope so. 856 00:34:31.717 --> 00:34:32.470 Thank you so much, 857 00:34:32.491 --> 00:34:32.715 Arati. 858 00:34:33.642 --> 00:34:33.970 Thank you, 859 00:34:33.990 --> 00:34:34.175 Marin. 860 00:34:35.806 --> 00:34:38.663 Thank you for tuning in to another episode of Energetic. 861 00:34:39.023 --> 00:34:46.883 It's been a pleasure diving deep into the world of sustainability and the just energy transition with some of the most forward-thinking mouths out there. 862 00:34:47.603 --> 00:34:48.448 I'm Maureen Cornelis, 863 00:34:48.548 --> 00:34:51.263 your host from policy consultancy Next Energy Consumer. 864 00:34:51.743 --> 00:34:55.195 And it's been an incredible journey growing this podcast together with you, 865 00:34:55.576 --> 00:34:57.483 our knowledgeable and passionate listeners. 866 00:34:58.384 --> 00:34:59.648 Since 2021, 867 00:34:59.809 --> 00:35:01.293 we've shared countless stories, 868 00:35:01.454 --> 00:35:01.935 insights, 869 00:35:01.955 --> 00:35:04.463 and ideas over more than 40 episodes. 870 00:35:05.468 --> 00:35:08.503 And it's all thanks to your support and enthusiasm. 871 00:35:09.345 --> 00:35:13.543 If you've enjoyed our journey so far and want to help us keep the conversation going, 872 00:35:14.023 --> 00:35:15.543 why not support us on Patreon? 873 00:35:16.244 --> 00:35:19.523 Every bit helps us bring more inspiring content your way. 874 00:35:20.043 --> 00:35:21.782 Check out the show notes for the link. 875 00:35:22.543 --> 00:35:22.945 And hey, 876 00:35:23.407 --> 00:35:29.071 if you're a part of an organization that shares our passion for a sustainable and inclusive energy future, 877 00:35:29.573 --> 00:35:32.463 we're excited to explore sponsorship opportunities with you. 878 00:35:32.894 --> 00:35:38.911 It's a fantastic way to connect with a dedicated audience and make an even bigger impact together. 879 00:35:39.951 --> 00:35:41.354 Shout 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