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Ladies and gentlemen,

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welcome to the show.

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Welcome to this new episode podcast.

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For today,

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I will try in English because it will be an extreme thing for me because we are going to talk about extreme triathlon and what better to do.

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to talk about extreme triathlon to talk to stuart mcInnes and clement always uh in the good stories for extreme triathlon good morning stuart and good morning clement good morning hi mika all as well here always yes

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we are not going to talk about weather weather is a always a shitty thing so we can that's that's very good yes because the weather is also shitty here let's

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We've done it already,

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we've fallen into the trap.

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Okay,

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so the thing is done,

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we can go full straight.

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We are here to talk about extreme triathlon,

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I'm very glad to be here today with both of you.

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We are going to talk about one particular race,

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but maybe in the second time.

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I would like to spread the word about the extreme triathlon world and about the circuit.

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Everybody in the world of triathlon knows about Norseman,

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but Stuart,

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can you please explain us a bit of the DNA of the X3 World Tour?

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Absolutely.

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And yes,

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as you say,

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Norseman is the DNA of the X3 World Tour.

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They're the founders and they're the original Extreme Triathlon race,

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now in their

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23rd or 24th year.

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I can't quite remember.

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It's been around a long time.

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And the rest of our races are all built on that same DNA.

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So they're all very,

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very similar products to Norseman.

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completely different locations with different locales,

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different culture.

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But the format of the races has always remained the same,

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in homage to Norseman.

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So that's really where the idea came from,

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where the concept came from.

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And we are now,

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I mean,

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we've been running now for over

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14 years since the first or the second Extreme Triathlon race,

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which was the one in Scotland,

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following the Norseman.

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The first race after Norseman was the Scotman?

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Celtman.

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in Scotland in 2012.

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And what do you need for a race to be in your extreme triathlon world tour?

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It's an interesting one because a lot of it is quite intangible.

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So rather than handing people a great big book of rules,

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we have a set of values which the race has to fall into.

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And there are many things that are difficult to pinpoint,

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but a lot of it's about location,

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the landscape,

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the local people.

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And the format is a triathlon,

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of course.

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But using the landscape,

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they become extreme.

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As Clement will tell you,

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he seems to have made one that's maybe taking it to the next level.

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we work with the landscape.

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We work with the countries and the locals and the culture to create something that's the same but unique.

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The same but unique.

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That doesn't make any sense,

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but it does really.

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You always want the same,

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but with some different locations,

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different feelings.

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We were talking just before about the feelings.

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It's all about the feelings.

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If you go to one of our races,

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the DNA is the same.

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but everything else is different.

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We don't tend to use the same setup for transitions and the branding is different.

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which is the DNA.

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And what aspect of the Northman,

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the particular one,

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what aspect of the Northman do you want to put in the X3 World Tour?

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Is it only the hard part of the race or is it also the teamwork?

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Because you are only 250 at the start,

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you are with the crew,

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So what is everything or one particular thing?

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And that's the thing that when a city is intangible,

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it's quite difficult to write that down what that is.

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It's actually a feeling.

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You have to be able to create that feeling that you get from something like that.

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And there's so many pieces to the jigsaw to make that feeling come together that we have to work closely with organisers to make that work.

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because unless they've experienced it themselves firsthand,

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either as a supporter or an athlete or even a family member at the race and having

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personally experienced it's quite difficult to convey to them what that feeling is yep um by that way how can you convert a classic extreme a classic ironman triathlete to

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go and to try an extreme triathlete um we show him a picture of someone with blood running down their knee this is not true of course

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it's very difficult.

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it's very difficult to convey this through media as well.

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even if you see a film from Nick Simtrath and it'd be exciting,

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you can see these amazing mountains and these amazing landscapes.

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many reasons to go,

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then actually these people are our best salespeople.

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The other athletes who've done it already are our best sales force.

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So they're better than me to convince someone to come from Ironman to the dark side.

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It may be controversial,

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I think the extreme races are very attractive.

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you can say it's very favorable things.

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You want to go,

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but you don't want to go.

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And we don't see any success as extreme world tour.

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Clément will make me lie.

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The first races in France will be on

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We don't expect such a success.

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How can you explain this success?

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Is this a question for Clement or for me?

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do you mean you wouldn't expect it to have so many athletes sign up in the final?

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I can explain that easily because the French are completely mad for Extreme Triathlon.

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but completely mad for Extreme Triathlon.

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there's something about this type of sport that attracts the French athlete.

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but they're crazy for Norsemen.

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the Norsemen many years ago introduced a quota for French athletes to prevent them taking over the entire race.

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Because there were so many applying.

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So we know that the French have always loved extreme triathlon.

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They love the mountains.

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There's something about it that appeals to your psyche.

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I may have maybe an answer about this.

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we've got a media in France who made a beautiful,

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Intérieur Sport in French,

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you can call it.

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the guys and a girl.

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video you can think you can find on the youtube at that moment and i think it makes french crazy about this race and it was only the beginning the the seed was in the in the brain and that yeah because actually it's not the thing is though maybe

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that's probably true but they're also crazy for our other races so it's not just northman the french like they actually find that they're the highest applicants uh usually second only to the local applicants in in most of our

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very good race for French and for everybody in the world.

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your athletes are not just French.

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the appeal of the Pyrenees is huge.

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which we'll come to later,

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Pyrenees is a worldwide famous location.

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but everybody knows it.

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You can find it on the map.

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not everyone knows how hard it is for them.

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What do you think about,

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we are slowly gliding to ascent,

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but what do you think about this race?

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You told me something I was totally agreeable.

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It's too hard.

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all they have to look at are the numbers.

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That's all we have.

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we really don't know how they come out in the flesh.

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Sometimes the numbers are deceiving in both directions,

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based on terrain and conditions and athletes who turn up and et cetera.

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And then sometimes we have to make adjustments in year two if something is just way beyond possibility.

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we don't want to have a 50%

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Because part of X-Tri is that we want to get people to the finish line.

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No matter that it's such a hard race,

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it's still possible,

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even if it takes you 20 hours.

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We want to get you to the finish line.

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That was the main thing I was looking for when I was looking for the races in France.

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I want to be an X3.

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I want to be a part of something not normal.

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the guys are crazy.

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you can cut it in two parts in France for the ascent.

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Maybe when you look at the numbers,

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of course it's very hard,

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it's 8000,

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so you can find it nowhere else.

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you can cut the race in both halfs.

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the cherry on the cake,

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but now the cherry is very very acid.

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So what do you think when Clément comes to you and presents you the project?

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I probably said exactly the same thing to him,

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but he just smiles and says,

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It'll be okay.

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the thing is that the athletes know what the numbers are.

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The numbers were not hidden from them,

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and they still signed up,

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and they still filled up the race very quickly.

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There's no surprise.

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The courses were presented to them before the race was opened,

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so they know what the course is.

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They know what's awaiting for them.

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We just don't know how it will pan out over time and over the day.

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but it's uh there'll be there'll be a lot of walking not so much running i think let's be honest yeah yeah it's obvious how can you um how can you compare these first races in france this first race in france with other first race you can find somewhere

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else well some of our races are successful out of the box and a lot of it's to do with location

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Swissman is another example and Icon as well.

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Even in the early days of Icon,

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they got really good numbers.

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There's a lot of this is to do with location.

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So when we have smaller races,

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it tends to be because either they're perceived to be inaccessible.

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We always use Montenegro as an example.

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The Montenegrin race is just as hard and just as exciting and incredibly beautiful.

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It's also a cheap place to go and the people are friendly and all of that stuff.

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But no one's ever heard of Montenegro.

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And if they have,

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they think it's like still at war.

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You know,

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there's all this kind of strange perceptions that people just because they don't pay any attention to it,

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sort of in the back of their mind that something happened once there 25 years ago and they haven't it hasn't come into the frame yet.

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So for us,

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it's it's it's one of the main reasons why our races remain smaller and they don't sell 250 slots immediately.

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But it's not it's nothing to do with quality and it's nothing to do with the people or the organizers or anything.

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It's just public perception.

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And France is clearly,

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everybody knows where France is and everybody knows how to get to France.

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And the Pyrenees is famous.

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And we all know the names of the climbs from the Tour de France.

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So that immediately gives them a marketing advantage.

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Yep.

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And it's easy to find some condo to rent,

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some house.

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Very easy.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And when the connection made between two of us,

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what do you think about the story?

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Do you think it will be a success story for the first time as it is today?

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Or do you think it will take some two or three years to scratch things?

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I believe it will be a success immediately.

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And I actually think that in year two,

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we will have to move to a ballot.

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And our four main races are balloted because they're oversubscribed.

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And I know you want to approach the X-Point system,

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but that's one of the reasons why we invented that,

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to help with the demand.

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But I do believe that this will be a success immediately.

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And next year,

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there will be a fight for slots.

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Okay.

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That was a point that I want to touch with you.

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The X point is a system you find to counter the thing that there is too many registrations for too many slots?

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Yes,

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yes,

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for so few slots,

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yeah.

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And you don't understand it,

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and Clement doesn't understand it.

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But actually,

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it is quite simple,

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if you understand it.

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as a um

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Regular and perfect Frenchman.

329
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I don't read the rules book.

330
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So can you please explain?

331
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No,

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I understand that.

333
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Actually,

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it's really,

335
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it's not a ranking.

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It's nothing to do with ability or speed.

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It's almost like a loyalty system.

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So when you do our races,

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everybody who finishes the race receives the same number of points.

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And those go into their points balance.

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And then they can use those points to apply for a balloted race.

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And each of the balloted races has 100 slots available for people who have points.

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And basically what happens is when the race comes around to open,

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you enter the race and you click a little box that says,

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I want to use my X points.

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And we take all of those people who apply with points and we look at them and we pick the top 100 who have the highest number of points and they're offered a slot.

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And then the second part is the number of points that we deduct from them is the same as the person in number,

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place 100.

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So everybody loses the same number of points as that person.

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And that means that they've not had to use the ballot so that they have a much better chance.

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And so far,

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this is year three or year four,

353
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we're going into for X points.

354
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The balance required for Norseman goes up quicker because there's many more applicants,

355
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but it's still not massive.

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The balance this year was 570 points.

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So that's effectively three races.

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And those three races could have been done any time in the last three years.

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So we're not asking people to do multiple races over and over and over again.

360
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And the smaller races have smaller points,

361
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obviously.

362
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X3 points doesn't get older.

363
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You don't cancel your X3 points for four years ago,

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three,

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five years ago.

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You can keep them.

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We have a little membership system.

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So as long as you remain a member,

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it has a very,

370
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very small charge.

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I mean,

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really,

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it's tiny.

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and as long as you remain a member then you can keep your points,

375
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you can build up the balance so you can do it over years if you want ok,

376
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so I was lying about the X3Point system,

377
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I was looking for the rules,

378
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but when you explain it to me make it clear that this system is for to make as a as a member of a crew,

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of a family we call it the tribe,

380
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because really that's what it is,

381
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it's like everybody is in the same place and and

382
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I have heard people argue against it and say it's not fair because if you can afford to travel around the world and do more races,

383
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you can get more points.

384
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Well,

385
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that's true,

386
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but that would assume that other people don't do any other races.

387
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Of course they do races.

388
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They just do them in Challenge or Ironman or

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Xterra or whatever.

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And all we're saying is come and do our races and you can have the benefit of earning some points,

391
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which can get you into one of the oversubscribed races.

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It was one of the main points for me.

393
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when you talk about

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x3 races when you talk about with with athletes the first thing that pop up pop out is the mindset and the family spirit that you can have with this athlete they always are kind to to speak about their experience to share some some tips and that's

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incredible you can't find it every anywhere else i think no i think perhaps that's due to the fact that we're still quite small you know our races are deliberately misused

396
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kept a maximum of 250 and that's for a number of reasons but one of the main reasons is that usually they're in such small places that you can't necessarily have any more people there there's no space to put them it's nowhere to live and so that helps to keep it low but then we run community forums and that kind of stuff and they and over time they build up their own personality their own kind of um

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automation so that and everybody's willing to help if you go to any extra race and it will happen in france i'm absolutely sure of it somebody will come to ascend

398
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and their bike will have got lost on the way.

399
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But somebody else will find a bike.

400
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Somebody else will find a wetsuit for them.

401
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Their car will break down during the race and another support crew will come on board and help.

402
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And that's all allowed under the rules of X-Tri because it just makes it a much better,

403
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nicer,

404
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friendlier experience.

405
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Yeah,

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perfect,

407
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perfect.

408
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So

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I'm seeing that Clement is falling asleep,

410
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so we are going to wake him up.

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I know,

412
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very boring,

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Clement,

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sorry.

415
00:18:21.375 --> 00:18:21.594
Sorry,

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Clement.

417
00:18:23.317 --> 00:18:23.497
Okay,

418
00:18:23.517 --> 00:18:23.898
it's okay.

419
00:18:26.260 --> 00:18:29.004
Can you please tell us a bit more about the Ascent?

420
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How is the project in your mind?

421
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How it grows?

422
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Can you tell us everything about it?

423
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So,

424
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it's not so simple to speak that because

425
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Ascent is not for me and for Céline.

426
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We're organized with Céline and for her,

427
00:18:50.356 --> 00:18:51.918
the project is not just a race.

428
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It's a moment to share with the family and to go to this experience.

429
00:19:03.001 --> 00:19:11.587
And the project starts with the most highest top of point of the Pyrenees when we would like to finish on this.

430
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And

431
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I plan to...

432
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And I plan the race around this peak.

433
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And the most exp...

434
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the most important experience for the athletes is for the family because you speak with Stuart just before for this and it's really important in X3 to have your crew during

435
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the race and

436
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I planned Hassan with Céline for that and maybe for the difficulty maybe a little bit no no so

437
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So...

438
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It's,

439
00:19:53.012 --> 00:19:53.173
yeah,

440
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for me,

441
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it's just that it's just maybe you have the race for the athlete,

442
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for the difficulty,

443
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for the bike,

444
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because you are.

445
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You have the,

446
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I think it's 5,000 meters and for the race it's maybe 3,000.

447
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So it's not so easy,

448
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but you have the most important for you,

449
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it's your family.

450
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And during the race,

451
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you have a lot of possibility to see your crew.

452
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And the project starts like that,

453
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to plan the race around the athlete and the crew.

454
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When you planned to make this race,

455
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was it at the beginning,

456
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very beginning to go and see Stuart and to make it an X3 race?

457
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Or do you think about this race on your side and maybe after you can join a circuit or everything else?

458
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Okay,

459
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the start is start with the triathlon of the Pyrenees.

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we organize in Salah restaurant in Payol.

461
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I planned for the five years of the race,

462
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for the anniversary race,

463
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we planned to make an XXL.

464
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And I sent a message to Stuart.

465
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Okay,

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Stuart,

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we have this race and we would like to plan for an XXL on this race.

468
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And I think it's important or interesting to speak with you for X3.

469
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And Stuart said,

470
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okay,

471
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Clement,

472
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it's a good race,

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but for X3,

474
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it's just one race.

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just the X3.

476
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And I speak with Céline and say,

477
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okay,

478
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it's not possible for the triathlon of the Pyrenees.

479
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And now there are two options.

480
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I leave the project with X3 or I plan a new races.

481
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And I plan this.

482
00:21:53.081 --> 00:21:53.300
Okay.

483
00:21:53.738 --> 00:21:55.566
So when you made it,

484
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when you think about it,

485
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it was during the Triathlon de Pyrenees.

486
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because of the location,

487
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because of the mountain,

488
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because of everything.

489
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We know each other a bit,

490
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just a little bit.

491
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But to organize a new race is not something so hard for you.

492
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But what was the challenge for you to join and to click,

493
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to tick the box for the X3?

494
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The challenge for me for the race,

495
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it's...

496
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I think it's...

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To share the race with not just the athletes,

498
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with the crew and the family because doing the other triathlon we organized is just for the athletes.

499
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You have the swim part,

500
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the bike part and the run part.

501
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It's easy,

502
00:22:44.153 --> 00:22:44.684
it's a loop.

503
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It's a loop for the swim,

504
00:22:46.012 --> 00:22:46.871
it's a loop for the bike,

505
00:22:46.872 --> 00:22:47.715
it's a loop for the run.

506
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And for X3,

507
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it's one way.

508
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So you start in one leg,

509
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you go for

510
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180k.

511
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for the bike and you could you don't come back in the same lake and you finish uh in the top uh of the pyrenees um and this one it's for it's not a complicated but it's important to to

512
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manage for the whole athlete and the whole family uh for it's a good experience for that and for me that's important and that's the the most point to to work on that okay

513
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I don't know how it works everywhere else in the world,

514
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but in France,

515
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I know it's very,

516
00:23:32.470 --> 00:23:33.892
very hard to organize a race.

517
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One race,

518
00:23:34.970 --> 00:23:35.595
it's very hard.

519
00:23:36.072 --> 00:23:37.853
You are a crazy organizer,

520
00:23:37.876 --> 00:23:40.658
so we don't speak to you at this moment,

521
00:23:40.697 --> 00:23:41.080
Clement.

522
00:23:41.501 --> 00:23:46.728
But what is the hard part of the X3 World Tour?

523
00:23:47.041 --> 00:23:49.447
Is it hard to find some hard races,

524
00:23:49.572 --> 00:23:50.712
some crazy races,

525
00:23:51.353 --> 00:23:53.884
or is it hard to find some crazy organizers?

526
00:23:54.603 --> 00:23:54.904
Actually,

527
00:23:54.924 --> 00:23:56.766
the answer is probably the organisers,

528
00:23:57.247 --> 00:24:01.309
because we don't actually organise the race as Extra World Tour.

529
00:24:01.310 --> 00:24:02.852
We have partners who do that for us.

530
00:24:03.813 --> 00:24:05.016
And usually they approach us,

531
00:24:05.290 --> 00:24:06.071
like Clement did,

532
00:24:07.274 --> 00:24:07.938
with an idea.

533
00:24:09.055 --> 00:24:09.181
Now,

534
00:24:09.876 --> 00:24:11.243
these emails come in every day,

535
00:24:11.477 --> 00:24:12.134
I can assure you.

536
00:24:14.399 --> 00:24:15.509
But most of them are,

537
00:24:15.931 --> 00:24:16.118
hello,

538
00:24:16.259 --> 00:24:20.384
my friends Bill and my friend Ben and I have an idea because our country is amazing.

539
00:24:20.462 --> 00:24:20.634
Well,

540
00:24:21.337 --> 00:24:22.149
every country is amazing,

541
00:24:22.196 --> 00:24:22.352
really.

542
00:24:23.383 --> 00:24:24.684
I was going to say except for Denmark,

543
00:24:24.705 --> 00:24:25.445
but they come and get me.

544
00:24:25.446 --> 00:24:26.527
The Danes will come and catch us.

545
00:24:27.769 --> 00:24:28.648
Only because of the mountains,

546
00:24:28.687 --> 00:24:29.410
my Danish friends.

547
00:24:31.371 --> 00:24:37.035
But usually these ideas are just somebody who's been to one of our races and thinks I could do this where I come from.

548
00:24:37.074 --> 00:24:39.160
But we know it's so much more complex than that.

549
00:24:40.097 --> 00:24:47.691
So what we look for now is we need to have really an existing organiser who has the idea because they need to have the knowledge and the infrastructure,

550
00:24:47.707 --> 00:24:51.113
the equipment and the money to create these products from scratch.

551
00:24:51.711 --> 00:24:55.014
It's very difficult to do it as just an idea.

552
00:24:55.713 --> 00:24:58.620
But that kind of approach needs to be right then.

553
00:24:58.659 --> 00:25:06.565
That needs to be an existing organizer or an existing event that we could make fit into our format in a place that's interesting to us.

554
00:25:06.924 --> 00:25:11.245
So you'll notice we don't expand very quickly because these races are few and far between.

555
00:25:11.510 --> 00:25:12.276
And these ideas,

556
00:25:12.495 --> 00:25:13.854
the really good quality ones,

557
00:25:15.448 --> 00:25:16.276
are also quite rare.

558
00:25:17.438 --> 00:25:32.584
and we don't go hunting i don't go banging on doors generally okay we can see um for the for the people who are looking for the x3 world tour we can see it's not growing very fast you are not looking for some crazy location it's

559
00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:46.568
a very quality standard and everything is perfect do you think there will be a limit of races in your extreme world tour or do you think there is a one or two race that we'll be adding every day every race every day

560
00:25:47.266 --> 00:25:47.787
If we,

561
00:25:47.967 --> 00:25:49.469
if with our existing structure,

562
00:25:49.829 --> 00:25:50.309
it's okay,

563
00:25:50.310 --> 00:25:50.770
I know what you mean.

564
00:25:51.049 --> 00:25:51.911
We don't add one every day.

565
00:25:52.473 --> 00:25:53.532
With our existing structure,

566
00:25:54.633 --> 00:25:56.458
they're qualifiers for the World Championship,

567
00:25:56.497 --> 00:25:57.137
which is Norseman.

568
00:25:57.637 --> 00:25:59.739
So Norseman is the Extreme Triathlon World Championship.

569
00:25:59.840 --> 00:26:02.504
And we're actually very limited with those slots.

570
00:26:02.778 --> 00:26:03.684
So actually,

571
00:26:03.887 --> 00:26:04.387
we don't,

572
00:26:04.465 --> 00:26:08.106
we couldn't add many more full distance races unless we adjust that model,

573
00:26:08.247 --> 00:26:09.590
which at the moment we don't plan to do.

574
00:26:10.403 --> 00:26:13.215
But our Solo.5 races were invented for that very reason.

575
00:26:14.028 --> 00:26:15.481
The X-Tri Solo.5 is a

576
00:26:16.158 --> 00:26:16.378
I mean,

577
00:26:16.379 --> 00:26:17.920
it's a half distance on paper,

578
00:26:18.100 --> 00:26:19.582
but usually they're much harder than that.

579
00:26:19.602 --> 00:26:20.723
They're designed to be extreme.

580
00:26:20.801 --> 00:26:26.067
So we sometimes describe them as three quarters races because the distances are about half.

581
00:26:26.192 --> 00:26:28.871
But the ascent included and the difficulty,

582
00:26:28.934 --> 00:26:30.450
the terrain is always very difficult.

583
00:26:30.793 --> 00:26:31.653
But they have no limit.

584
00:26:31.934 --> 00:26:34.536
We have no limit to the number of solo point fives that we can add.

585
00:26:34.551 --> 00:26:36.754
We're not bound by any qualification system there.

586
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:38.536
So that,

587
00:26:39.348 --> 00:26:39.786
we think,

588
00:26:39.848 --> 00:26:41.817
is where the growth is going to come for us,

589
00:26:42.176 --> 00:26:43.692
is in these half distance extremes.

590
00:26:45.118 --> 00:27:03.120
to to go in the same direction you you mentioned solo 0.5 um everybody are looking for some other things every day every day and you can we can speak about gravel we can speak about um what do you think about this kind

591
00:27:03.136 --> 00:27:13.230
of races some gravel you we can see in the history world too some gravel races appearing one gravel yes one gravel case yeah do you think it will be part of of the...

592
00:27:14.366 --> 00:27:17.546
of the project for triathletes?

593
00:27:17.827 --> 00:27:18.027
Yes,

594
00:27:18.126 --> 00:27:19.005
that is the plan.

595
00:27:19.486 --> 00:27:20.009
At the moment,

596
00:27:20.208 --> 00:27:22.650
we are experimenting with that one because gravel is...

597
00:27:22.751 --> 00:27:22.986
I mean,

598
00:27:22.987 --> 00:27:24.767
we know there's a huge demand for gravel everywhere.

599
00:27:24.970 --> 00:27:26.048
And actually,

600
00:27:26.751 --> 00:27:28.431
every country has amazing gravel roads.

601
00:27:29.931 --> 00:27:33.306
I could do one outside my house here in Sweden and I would make an amazing race.

602
00:27:33.415 --> 00:27:35.134
There's so much available for it.

603
00:27:35.665 --> 00:27:37.650
We just need to make sure that people are tuned into that.

604
00:27:38.118 --> 00:27:40.197
There's also a funny thing in gravel at the moment because...

605
00:27:40.990 --> 00:27:42.570
We created our race in Scotland,

606
00:27:42.690 --> 00:27:43.411
which is very hard.

607
00:27:43.430 --> 00:27:48.532
It's effectively what would have been a mountain bike course back in the 90s when we had gravel bikes with flat bars,

608
00:27:48.571 --> 00:27:48.876
remember?

609
00:27:50.930 --> 00:27:54.469
But now the gravel evolution is changing so much.

610
00:27:54.696 --> 00:27:57.735
One of the things we did for that race was we banned mountain bikes.

611
00:27:57.766 --> 00:28:00.438
We said you must have a gravel bike in order to do this race,

612
00:28:00.454 --> 00:28:02.610
which makes it much harder because it was very steep,

613
00:28:02.735 --> 00:28:05.032
2,000 metres of ascent in 50 kilometres.

614
00:28:06.235 --> 00:28:06.672
So really,

615
00:28:06.813 --> 00:28:07.251
really tough,

616
00:28:07.329 --> 00:28:07.516
right?

617
00:28:08.498 --> 00:28:08.798
But now,

618
00:28:08.818 --> 00:28:09.279
of course,

619
00:28:09.439 --> 00:28:12.883
the manufacturers are pushing out mountain bikes with drop bars.

620
00:28:12.884 --> 00:28:19.368
So we need to be careful how we define what a gravel bike is so we don't just turn it into a mountain bike race.

621
00:28:20.211 --> 00:28:25.172
And that's sort of why we're kind of just experimenting with the project at the moment.

622
00:28:25.672 --> 00:28:28.063
So we still just have one race for 2026,

623
00:28:28.219 --> 00:28:28.626
the same year.

624
00:28:29.626 --> 00:28:33.016
And the last question in this mind,

625
00:28:33.626 --> 00:28:36.985
how do you think about X3 World Tour in five years?

626
00:28:38.702 --> 00:28:43.086
We think of it as being this really desirable quality product.

627
00:28:43.087 --> 00:28:45.668
And that's really why we don't expand very quickly.

628
00:28:45.669 --> 00:28:49.492
We want to make sure that all of our races are an amazing experience in their own right.

629
00:28:49.797 --> 00:28:50.976
So every single one you go to,

630
00:28:51.195 --> 00:28:53.234
you'll feel this is the best thing you've ever done.

631
00:28:53.695 --> 00:28:54.492
Until you do the next one.

632
00:28:55.180 --> 00:28:56.273
Until the next one.

633
00:28:57.414 --> 00:28:58.023
But as I said,

634
00:28:58.445 --> 00:29:00.070
we will expand our solo point five races.

635
00:29:00.086 --> 00:29:01.758
And we will expand our full distance races,

636
00:29:01.820 --> 00:29:03.789
but not very quickly and not in a huge number.

637
00:29:04.601 --> 00:29:07.414
And we'll just continue to improve the quality and safety.

638
00:29:08.106 --> 00:29:08.627
reputation.

639
00:29:09.387 --> 00:29:09.627
I mean,

640
00:29:09.728 --> 00:29:11.830
ideally we'd like all our races to be balloted.

641
00:29:12.029 --> 00:29:13.572
We'd like them all to be oversubscribed.

642
00:29:13.573 --> 00:29:14.951
So that's really what we're aiming for.

643
00:29:15.936 --> 00:29:19.037
Do you think there will be a ballot for the Ascent,

644
00:29:19.334 --> 00:29:19.936
for the next year?

645
00:29:19.937 --> 00:29:20.920
I think there will be next year,

646
00:29:20.975 --> 00:29:21.279
yeah.

647
00:29:21.318 --> 00:29:22.076
I think we...

648
00:29:22.764 --> 00:29:23.600
He's not like he said.

649
00:29:24.100 --> 00:29:26.444
Because then the other thing is that we can use the X points.

650
00:29:26.445 --> 00:29:30.272
There's 4,000 people are actively collecting X points.

651
00:29:30.428 --> 00:29:31.834
It's quite a good number of athletes.

652
00:29:32.225 --> 00:29:32.350
Now,

653
00:29:32.444 --> 00:29:34.365
there are not 4,000 slots in our races.

654
00:29:34.397 --> 00:29:34.912
There's not even...

655
00:29:34.928 --> 00:29:36.318
There's about 2,500.

656
00:29:36.858 --> 00:29:43.605
So that means that the people with X points would be able to use them to get into Ascend for 2027.

657
00:29:43.606 --> 00:29:46.371
And that's great because that expands the X point system even more.

658
00:29:47.011 --> 00:29:47.230
Okay.

659
00:29:48.027 --> 00:29:48.230
Okay.

660
00:29:49.394 --> 00:29:49.793
Clément,

661
00:29:50.855 --> 00:29:51.652
same question for you.

662
00:29:52.215 --> 00:29:54.238
How do you see the Ascend in five years?

663
00:29:57.966 --> 00:29:58.808
In five years.

664
00:29:59.728 --> 00:30:07.011
I think it's just the same race because I would like to keep the same for the whole time because for me,

665
00:30:07.652 --> 00:30:14.823
I need to plan a reference in France for the Extreme Triathlon and in Europe with the Norseman.

666
00:30:14.964 --> 00:30:19.745
I think it's important for Hassan to grow in this way.

667
00:30:21.745 --> 00:30:24.652
And maybe...

668
00:30:24.824 --> 00:30:27.526
I think it's not important to speak now,

669
00:30:27.586 --> 00:30:27.768
but

670
00:30:30.952 --> 00:30:38.436
I plan to make another race for you to speak with Stuart just before for Solo.5 and I work on that.

671
00:30:39.202 --> 00:30:39.717
I work on it.

672
00:30:40.342 --> 00:30:40.483
Oh.

673
00:30:40.983 --> 00:30:41.108
Yeah.

674
00:30:43.545 --> 00:30:46.123
We never tell anyone anything publicly until it's announced.

675
00:30:46.186 --> 00:30:46.405
Okay.

676
00:30:47.248 --> 00:30:47.467
Okay.

677
00:30:47.748 --> 00:30:48.623
Thanks for the secret.

678
00:30:53.186 --> 00:30:54.530
Maybe something.

679
00:30:54.804 --> 00:30:57.587
That's possible.

680
00:30:57.588 --> 00:30:59.550
Because also it's an important question because we can't,

681
00:30:59.991 --> 00:31:00.229
you know,

682
00:31:00.351 --> 00:31:01.612
where do you see a race in five years?

683
00:31:02.253 --> 00:31:03.530
Our races can't be expanded.

684
00:31:03.874 --> 00:31:04.874
They can only be improved.

685
00:31:05.155 --> 00:31:05.397
You know,

686
00:31:05.398 --> 00:31:07.679
we have a finite number of athletes and that's deliberate,

687
00:31:07.694 --> 00:31:08.436
as I said earlier.

688
00:31:08.819 --> 00:31:10.827
So we can't expect,

689
00:31:11.718 --> 00:31:18.562
you can't have the ambition that Ascend would have 500 or 700 or 1,000 athletes because the race doesn't work with that number of athletes.

690
00:31:18.593 --> 00:31:22.515
So it's all about maintaining the quality and making it more and more desirable.

691
00:31:23.186 --> 00:31:23.780
I can tell.

692
00:31:24.468 --> 00:31:40.551
without without a doubt that the ascent is a race that is is waiting for by by by a lot of athletes and we will see this year if uh if the quality is there and i don't absolutely have no doubt about that but

693
00:31:40.660 --> 00:31:51.598
uh it's it's all about the spirit and the experience that we will share and i think it will be a very good thing will you be there as you are absolutely yes i'll be there yes yes because we We actually,

694
00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:52.614
what we do in year one,

695
00:31:52.629 --> 00:31:54.020
we always call it a prospect race.

696
00:31:55.361 --> 00:31:57.945
and that's just so that we can evaluate it properly,

697
00:31:58.105 --> 00:31:59.226
give lots of feedback,

698
00:31:59.284 --> 00:31:59.823
adjustment,

699
00:32:00.366 --> 00:32:01.308
without kind of saying,

700
00:32:01.827 --> 00:32:02.347
this was shit,

701
00:32:02.409 --> 00:32:02.784
fix it.

702
00:32:03.347 --> 00:32:03.511
Perfect.

703
00:32:03.512 --> 00:32:05.112
It's done in a much more diplomatic way than that.

704
00:32:05.292 --> 00:32:05.753
Okay,

705
00:32:05.909 --> 00:32:06.316
perfect.

706
00:32:06.331 --> 00:32:08.011
So we can share a beer at the end.

707
00:32:08.034 --> 00:32:08.175
Yeah.

708
00:32:08.933 --> 00:32:09.573
Yeah,

709
00:32:10.058 --> 00:32:10.253
okay.

710
00:32:11.597 --> 00:32:13.112
Maybe not just after the finish line,

711
00:32:13.144 --> 00:32:13.284
but...

712
00:32:13.285 --> 00:32:16.519
Are you racing?

713
00:32:16.800 --> 00:32:16.925
Yeah.

714
00:32:16.926 --> 00:32:17.238
Are you racing?

715
00:32:17.239 --> 00:32:17.644
Ah,

716
00:32:17.784 --> 00:32:17.956
okay,

717
00:32:18.019 --> 00:32:18.362
excellent.

718
00:32:18.363 --> 00:32:18.488
Yeah,

719
00:32:18.489 --> 00:32:19.081
yeah,

720
00:32:19.082 --> 00:32:19.159
yeah.

721
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:19.503
I will try.

722
00:32:20.331 --> 00:32:22.050
We'll try to be on the good side of the fence.

723
00:32:23.752 --> 00:32:42.253
okay no no no mika you have the plan to go at the at the top yeah in the pgvd of course of course everybody at the start of this plan so okay do you do you have any plan to to make some media uh on the ascents to make some uh

724
00:32:42.393 --> 00:32:49.971
some sharing some videos some yeah we have a lot of people for that for for me for for my crew

725
00:32:50.728 --> 00:32:51.709
I planned that and

726
00:32:52.129 --> 00:32:55.073
I planned to speak a lot of media,

727
00:32:55.151 --> 00:32:56.252
for the French media,

728
00:32:56.456 --> 00:32:58.135
so like La Chaîne du Triathlon,

729
00:32:58.276 --> 00:33:04.080
TriMax or like that and I planned to come for follow the race and

730
00:33:04.979 --> 00:33:11.174
I work with La Chaîne du Triathlon for live but it's not a real live for the whole races.

731
00:33:11.502 --> 00:33:15.315
I planned to have different moments during the race at

732
00:33:15.674 --> 00:33:16.174
T1, at T2,

733
00:33:17.315 --> 00:33:17.893
during the bike.

734
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:34.658
in the top of the call of of peruswood of col d'aspin and i planned different moments for the life uh and doing the run in col de la courade and col du sanco and pd midi in the finish line and i planned this for for

735
00:33:34.924 --> 00:33:46.846
the the media for the race yeah and stuart i'm i think i know some athletes and some good media to uh to invite and i think it's some people that you you know actually

736
00:33:47.536 --> 00:34:05.918
uh maybe it's a very small media about swissland i think we can call it gtn maybe yes yes you know them yeah they're quite a very small they are always looking for some extra extra bonus races to make so i think it's a very good thing yeah absolutely they'd be very welcome we

737
00:34:05.934 --> 00:34:13.028
can make an invitation for for james kunama is just a little guy in interest and so maybe it will be a good a good guest

738
00:34:13.992 --> 00:34:33.514
for the for the gives you the material for the following year as well because actually it's a very difficult sport to do any live broadcasting on these little if you do it in in places like clement says that's okay but it's such a it's such a long day and it's such a massive course um that we we can never convey even how how exciting and how um magical it is unless

739
00:34:33.530 --> 00:34:41.436
you're on the ground but we we do our best and um i i was i was laughing i was kidding about about that but And...

740
00:34:42.204 --> 00:34:43.546
The crew of G10 made a very,

741
00:34:44.407 --> 00:34:47.630
very good work to make us inside the Northman,

742
00:34:47.728 --> 00:34:49.353
the racing.

743
00:34:49.392 --> 00:34:53.993
And so it's a very good thing about the races.

744
00:34:54.134 --> 00:34:59.275
I think it can show that it's nothing about long distance,

745
00:34:59.603 --> 00:35:01.790
as we know in Ironman or Challenge.

746
00:35:02.228 --> 00:35:03.743
It's a very own thing.

747
00:35:04.931 --> 00:35:08.290
It's an experience you have to live once in your life of track.

748
00:35:08.525 --> 00:35:09.478
You have to experience it.

749
00:35:09.493 --> 00:35:09.696
Yes,

750
00:35:09.868 --> 00:35:10.025
yes,

751
00:35:10.026 --> 00:35:10.259
true.

752
00:35:10.724 --> 00:35:29.688
yeah okay i think we have a we have a meeting so we can we can take the box of july 25th and we can meet there and we can book a very good place on the peak indeed okay

753
00:35:30.188 --> 00:35:39.907
we can um we can close the show to for for the things can can we make another another one maybe with some inside inside tips

754
00:35:40.176 --> 00:35:43.397
we can share with some story about

755
00:35:44.498 --> 00:35:52.776
Stuart. You certainly have some story and some finish line you can share with us and some story about the water,

756
00:35:52.955 --> 00:35:53.979
about the cold water,

757
00:35:54.143 --> 00:35:54.518
about the...

758
00:35:55.237 --> 00:35:56.362
Of course,

759
00:35:56.363 --> 00:35:56.487
yeah.

760
00:35:56.877 --> 00:36:00.268
So maybe we can make it another time or another day.

761
00:36:00.643 --> 00:36:01.580
What do you think about this,

762
00:36:01.784 --> 00:36:02.018
Clément?

763
00:36:03.221 --> 00:36:03.721
Yeah,

764
00:36:03.877 --> 00:36:04.284
with pleasure.

765
00:36:04.534 --> 00:36:04.737
Okay,

766
00:36:05.174 --> 00:36:06.377
see if you have time.

767
00:36:07.080 --> 00:36:08.549
There are many ridiculous stories,

768
00:36:09.002 --> 00:36:09.549
I can assure you.

769
00:36:12.017 --> 00:36:12.539
Before ending,

770
00:36:12.699 --> 00:36:15.660
do you have any finish line or story?

771
00:36:16.140 --> 00:36:16.281
One,

772
00:36:16.664 --> 00:36:17.664
if you just one

773
00:36:19.441 --> 00:36:19.886
Probably

774
00:36:20.668 --> 00:36:26.628
Nicola Cordova in 2025 in Nepal because she smashed all the men,

775
00:36:27.113 --> 00:36:28.269
she won the race outright

776
00:36:29.472 --> 00:36:31.222
I was going to say probably our hardest race,

777
00:36:31.378 --> 00:36:33.738
but we keep Ascend out of this conversation for the moment

778
00:36:37.172 --> 00:36:39.573
She was the first to get to 4,000 meters,

779
00:36:39.614 --> 00:36:41.352
which is the highest point in world triathlon,

780
00:36:41.371 --> 00:36:42.692
which is in the Himalayan course.

781
00:36:42.754 --> 00:36:44.192
And that's really the aim of that race.

782
00:36:44.215 --> 00:36:45.574
It's a slightly different format.

783
00:36:45.871 --> 00:36:47.137
You don't finish at altitude.

784
00:36:47.637 --> 00:36:48.957
You go as high as you can,

785
00:36:48.996 --> 00:36:50.957
and 4,000 is the highest point.

786
00:36:51.996 --> 00:36:53.653
And then she won the race outright,

787
00:36:54.278 --> 00:36:55.684
beating the men by almost an hour.

788
00:36:56.434 --> 00:36:57.700
So that's a first.

789
00:36:58.324 --> 00:37:01.012
It's significant and quite exciting for us,

790
00:37:01.215 --> 00:37:01.340
and,

791
00:37:01.356 --> 00:37:01.715
of course,

792
00:37:01.778 --> 00:37:04.215
for the world of women in triathlon.

793
00:37:06.392 --> 00:37:24.440
inspiring yeah yeah inspiring in Slovakian yeah she didn't have much to say at the end to me that's the wrong language okay thanks thanks for your time thanks for sharing and uh see you next time for some inside tips excellent

794
00:37:24.736 --> 00:37:31.674
excellent thank you thank you nice to see you and hope to looking forward to see you soon thank you